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Is Lee an automatic out? Does the guy have any potential to hit say .210 much less .310?

Beni is short for 'mediocre ballplayer.' I'd rate him 4.5 out of 10. I see Vaughn is up to .270. It's 'possible' if he can learn to elevate more he becomes an average to above average MLB hitter. I'd say right now the only Sox who have a moderately bright future with the team are: Robert, Clevinger, Vaughn. In the group of players who would shock me but have a 20 percent chance of being above average: Eloy, Kopech (can't believe I put Kopech). That's it folks. I've given up on Moncada and TA. Dump them. And clean house in the bullpen again. Get rid of all those folks.

I agree. He's got to go. I do think we can get a good haul for him as he figures to thrive outside of Chicago with a real manager.

Hmmm Chiefs are minus 12.5 on the spread. I realize NFL games tend to be close but this has the makings of a true rout. The over-under is 47.5. I would tell you to bet the house on Chiefs and the over. It will be something like 38-14 Chiefs. Bears will be 0-3 and that is not good. No way the Chiefs are going to open 1-2 with 2 home losses. And no way the Bears will stop Mahomes. Just my take. By the way I am not a Chiefs fan. I've lived out here forever but maintained my Chicago roots in sports. It's hard to change when u grew up in Chicago and loved those teams as a kid. I am quiet and neutral in regard to Chiefs. If Bears can't win it, fine if the Chiefs do but I don't actively root.

Not to derail the conversation and stir up the masses, but I think Harry changed a bit and became even more of a jerk toward the tail end of his Sox tenure. I realize he was huge when he got to Chicago being the famous voice of the Cards and had a name and ego before he got to the south side but me thinks he got worse in the ego department in Chitown where he was the mayor of Rush Street. My dad's partner at the Board of Trade was one of many of the Sox ownership group until he died and my dad had occasion to be around Harry a lot postgame in the Bard's Room. Back in the day for worse more than better people drank their butts off after games even if they had to drive. There was little concern about repercussions of driving while bombed. I guess Harry was hard to tolerate after a certain amount of drinks/beers/whatever. Not trying to disparage Harry. I loved the guy. I remember my friends and I would send a note up to Harry during games (remember he'd read on the air you were at the game if u sent up a note) and he'd announce we were there. People actually would notice if Harry read your name and tell me they heard I was at the game and it was neat of him to read fans notes on the air. We did it like clockwork. My dad had season tix in the fifth row and would give me four tickets as he sat somewhere else with his partner and I'd go with 3 friends. Before getting seated we'd always have the guard send our note up to Harry with a little line or joke on there. "Falstaff forever" or "We love Zisk" on there or something. He'd read those messages on the air. That was Harry. The fan broadcaster. Any how my dad ultimately followed the lead of JR and the minority owners who despised Harry at the end. My dad would simply say 'what a jerk' when I'd quiz him on Harry. As a fan though I never wavered. I loved him. I remember one rain delay he and Jimmy tore the Sox apart while killing time. It was brutal. Harry would have attacked this team big time. Rest in peace Harry you shoulda been a Sox announcer forever like Hawk.

Harry was so popular in Chicago he might have been the spark some of the Sox needed to wake up and play to their potential. He would have been relentlessly bashing them and those players would have heard it from the fans too. Harry would have destroyed Moncada and TA and would have wondered aloud many times about all the injuries from running,

No I don't foresee things changing under Getz. Yes, teams can continue to stink for many many years in a row as we look at the Bears and even the Blackhawks since the dynasty. I do get upset thinking about tanking even though like you all said Sox figure to stink whether they tank or not. Let's say the plan is to quietly tank and try to build a winner for 2027 or so. To tank you'd have to trade your best players for developing young stars. Who on the Sox is of any great value, to bring in the type of players to fuel a tank job? I don't think Moncada brings much; Anderson probably brings a respectable tank type haul. Vaughn probably brings what Burger brought. Sheets brings u nothing. I would think you have to keep Clevinger and Robert just to make sure you draw an average of 18,000 fans a game and win about 40 games total. So the tank job means rebuilding through the next 3 drafts? I'm not thrilled by that prospect. Personally I would get a real manager from somewhere, even Joe Maddon, and see if that lineup the Sox used the other night (plus Colas) when they got 15 hits and 6 runs, coupled with the usual Sox-like offseason additions can find a way to compete in the pathetic Central Division. In conclusion ... I envision a tank as trying to acquire studs for Anderson, Moncada (ha) and Cease (ha), get those acquisitions ready, acquire No. 1 draft picks the next three seasons and win with the tank work completed by the 2027 season. Can't see it working especially with Getz. In greg's world ... fire Pedro, hire Maddon or somebody like him, coach 'em all up and have many more nights like the other night against the Twins when they got 15 hits and won 7-1 or 6-1 whatever it was. p.s I've yet to read an intelligent post on how a tank will work this time around.

Sorry this team's direction angers me.

Tonight's game was how our guys were supposed to hit. Seriously. Check the box score. Timmy had an MVP type game. Most everybody got a hit or two. Nobody looked outmatched. Vaughn had some nice pokes. TA is up to .250 finally.

He's actually Sox only 'starter' who has a clue. He's the team MVP this year, tying with Robert. I guess if Robert hits 40 hrs he's team MVP over Clev.

Are u serious? If they do the tank thing again they will have to move. NO FANS will support that again. Honestly if they go the tank route just to get No. 1 or 2 draft picks when they don't know who the hell to draft, I am speechless. I would be in favor of MLB completely getting rid of a couple teams, including our White Sox, if they decide to purposely reek the next 3-5 seasons while supposedly rebuilding. The only 2 guys who 'might' get us anything in tank-light trades are Robert, TA and Moncada maybe. Hope u are wrong!

I said in my post, win the lousy division then see if you can catch fire like we did doing it the non-tank way in 2005. No excuses to not win the division at least 9 of the 18 years since 05. Then in those nine years, you catch fire in one or two like Oz did and we win it all. This division reeks and Sox should be ashamed at the ineptitude as the largest city in the division and best market. Ultimately it falls on Jerry, Kenny, Hahn. Tank is a four-letter word in Sox history. Also if they were gonna let KW win the war over Ozzie they could have at least gotten some respected manager to take over for Ozzeroo. Hiring Robin after Oz was ridiculous. Renteria also was a bad hire even though he's OK in my book. And of course Tony was an unmitigated disaster even though I liked the move when it was made and Pedro is worst of all. Trainwreck organization.

You know what is probably ultimately most galling? I probably should make this its own thread. The Twins are 7 or 8 over .500 and have the division in the bag. Since 2005, the division has remained crap and the Sox can't even consistently field a team the last 18 years to regularly win division titles. The Sox out of all the teams in this worthless division should have dominated it the last 18 years. That's why I was against the stupid tank job and rebuild job that failed. Just do it the ol fashioned way, get some free agents to go with your Sale, Buehrle types and Frank Thomas types and Abreu types and fricking hang around .500 and win the damn division. Once you get in the playoffs even as a .500ish Central Division champ, you always have the chance to catch fire like the 05 postseason and win it all. Sox should be dominating that division and instead are division patsies. It's really sickening when you think about it. Minnie has a blah team this year, 7 over .500 or so and yet they run away with the division. It should be the Sox doing that folks. Disgraceful. And the team next year on paper will be worse than this year's almost certainly. Ugh. It's so disappointing. Kenny and Hahn and Jerry should be so proud of their work.

Sounds fun taking your son. I'd just treat it as a minor league game where nobody really cares who wins.

Sox almost blew that 7-1 lead. Oh well. Sox win!

I don't think i've ever seen a 1 page game thread in all my years here. Sox are officially irrelevant. Nobody cares.

Any chance the Hawks might win this year? Or are they still lousy?

That's so bad. When you try to hit a home run every pitch and it's lefty vs. lefty you are not going to have much success. These modern hitters don't believe in slashing singles the oppo way when it's lefty/lefty. They'd rather fail 90 percent of the time. Trade Sheets please. Dump him.

Fun fact: Six of Massey's 13 homers are against the Sox. That's obscene. A big batch of his RBIs too. Arguably he's a sub ,200 hitter w/out the boost from the Sox.

Vaughn with 20 hrs and 75 RBIs. Not too shabby considering he tries to hit it out every time up. I'd keep him I guess. I heard an interview with Grifol on sirius today. He was implying heavily all the bad blood has already been traded and the team would excel next year. Dunno about that. Still got TA and Moncada to get rid of in that regard I'd think. At least it seems that way. I've never seen a team mismanage a roster's pitching staff this way. I guess the Sox thought with Lynn and Gio and Kopech and Clevenger we had a stellar rotation. That did not work out. Sox couldn't find a lefty or two to throw in there. I have no idea how they are going to build a pitching staff with no money to spend. A team with this staff is not gonna win more than 52 games folks. More like 50.

I'm not a fan of Moncada but if he actually has become a good hitter I guess I'd be OK with keeping him. We don't have many big leaguers on the roster and it might be worth keeping him around. I'd love to read an article from somebody explaining plausible ways the Sox could actually be way better next year. I see no way, but maybe somebody has concrete ideas on how to fix this mess. Obviously it would involve spending money. ... First thing they NEED to do is get rid of Pedro and hire somebody with a name. That means $ however. Somebody like Dusty Baker, a guy like that. I'd even take Maddon.

It's scary to think he's the only Sox pitcher who had an MLB caliber season. Cease was OK early but really really mediocre most of the year. Sox are looking at 50-60 wins next year. 60 would be a high water mark with this roster. It's scary to realize we could be at the start of the polar opposite of a dynasty. Sox have no talent, as most all of us on here realize. No more than five players (counting pitchers and regular players) worth a flip IMO.

It's time to DFA poor Sheets by the way. Failure.

Just another acquisition that didn't work out at all. He was a failure as one of the elder White Sox. Another guy who didn't care to grasp a leadership role either.

Royals win the season series against the Sox, lol. Fourth time in five years that's happened. A 46-win team has won its first road series since May. Sell the team Jerry, we're sick of your leadership.