bmags Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 02:29 PM) I doubt the Nats trade Robles for anyone. They would have for Sale but he'll be their CF in 2 years when Harper leaves. Right. If I have a top ten outfield prospect and am possible to lose one of the best outfielders in the game in 2 years, I'm not trading him for an over 30 reliever and a questionable starter. I'm getting some big time MLB help or holding him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 I think the only way the Nat's could get Q would be if they put Ross and Robles on the table. Not expecting that to happen. They're have enough for Robertson though. Just make sure Severino is in the package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Severino is fine. We gain in that we get a very likely MLB level catcher. But he'd also very likely be a catcher we constantly want to upgrade over. Wouldn't mind a higher upside guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 02:58 PM) Severino is fine. We gain in that we get a very likely MLB level catcher. But he'd also very likely be a catcher we constantly want to upgrade over. Wouldn't mind a higher upside guy. I feel the same, Severino is fine but if everything breaks right hes a back up on this team with Collins. I would prefer the sox eat as much of the contract to get the best package. If the nats have such a weak bench as well I would include Lawrie as it opens up spots for some final looks at Sanchez and Davidson once Frazier is moved. if the sox eat no money I would expect Erick Fedde + Tyler Watson if the sox include a healthy amount of money I don't see why Robles couldn't be on the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 QUOTE (beautox @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 03:09 PM) I feel the same, Severino is fine but if everything breaks right hes a back up on this team with Collins. I would prefer the sox eat as much of the contract to get the best package. If the nats have such a weak bench as well I would include Lawrie as it opens up spots for some final looks at Sanchez and Davidson once Frazier is moved. if the sox eat no money I would expect Erick Fedde + Tyler Watson if the sox include a healthy amount of money I don't see why Robles couldn't be on the table. Hm maybe. Zimmerman is very injury prone and another injury to him would let Murphy slide over to first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 QUOTE (beautox @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 03:09 PM) I feel the same, Severino is fine but if everything breaks right hes a back up on this team with Collins. I would prefer the sox eat as much of the contract to get the best package. If the nats have such a weak bench as well I would include Lawrie as it opens up spots for some final looks at Sanchez and Davidson once Frazier is moved. if the sox eat no money I would expect Erick Fedde + Tyler Watson if the sox include a healthy amount of money I don't see why Robles couldn't be on the table. I see no way the Nats move Robles when his timeline fits in with Harper's departure via free agency in two seasons Sox would be willing to eat salary and come to an agreement, but they are also weighing what is offered now with the potential offers they can get at the deadline If they aren't getting at least a top 100 prospect plus another piece in return I would pass on a deal. We could likely get more at the deadline. Make the Nats pay up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 IQ level -15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Doubtful Robertson nets Fedde in a trade and no chance of Robles so that leaves Kieboom as the best starting point. Severino would give the Sox another catching option. Wouldn't mind snagging Cole as an option for the #5 spot. Cole couldn't be worse than watching Shields. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 I can't see Washington giving up any more pitching above all else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 08:00 PM) Doubtful Robertson nets Fedde in a trade and no chance of Robles so that leaves Kieboom as the best starting point. Severino would give the Sox another catching option. Wouldn't mind snagging Cole as an option for the #5 spot. Cole couldn't be worse than watching Shields. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 08:09 PM) I can't see Washington giving up any more pitching above all else. Yeah, Fedde is their last high-profile pitching prospect and I can't really seem him being moved under any circumstance. I think Kieboom is about as good as you can do in a Robertson trade without eating the vast majority of his contract (would still need to eat some though). If he's not available, I'd do a trade like what Y2Jimmy proposed. Nothing wrong with getting a couple far off, but high ceiling assets for Robertson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 08:24 PM) Yeah, Fedde is their last high-profile pitching prospect and I can't really seem him being moved under any circumstance. I think Kieboom is about as good as you can do in a Robertson trade without eating the vast majority of his contract (would still need to eat some though). If he's not available, I'd do a trade like what Y2Jimmy proposed. Nothing wrong with getting a couple far off, but high ceiling assets for Robertson. Juan Soto is a nice piece, perhaps along with severino? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 08:27 PM) Juan Soto is a nice piece, perhaps along with severino? Don't get me wrong, I'd love to get him for Robertson, but I just don't see it happening. At least not for the money I'd imagine we'd be willing to give up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 08:56 PM) Don't get me wrong, I'd love to get him for Robertson, but I just don't see it happening. At least not for the money I'd imagine we'd be willing to give up. If we can't get at least Soto, why trade him to the Nationals at all? I'd rather shop him at the deadline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 I don't know if this has been posted or not but this guy HAS actually scooped 2 stories this offseason, so he might know something... Sean Sears @sean_sears6 9h9 hours ago More #Nationals are playing it close to the chest with closer trade talks, a source of mine was told they were "exploring all options" Obviously that doesn't change anything, but he might be someone to watch on twitter if his source has info about Nats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peavy44 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) I don't know if this has been posted or not but this guy HAS actually scooped 2 stories this offseason, so he might know something... Sean Sears @sean_sears6 9h9 hours ago More #Nationals are playing it close to the chest with closer trade talks, a source of mine was told they were "exploring all options" Obviously that doesn't change anything, but he might be someone to watch on twitter if his source has info about Nats. [/q No that's guy a clown with no real Sources. Edited February 7, 2017 by peavy44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Feb 7, 2017 -> 01:59 AM) I don't know if this has been posted or not but this guy HAS actually scooped 2 stories this offseason, so he might know something... Sean Sears @sean_sears6 9h9 hours ago More #Nationals are playing it close to the chest with closer trade talks, a source of mine was told they were "exploring all options" Obviously that doesn't change anything, but he might be someone to watch on twitter if his source has info about Nats. You could probably say that about every team. Who doesn't explore everything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Feb 7, 2017 -> 08:01 AM) You could probably say that about every team. Who doesn't explore everything? Sean Sears makes up stories. Nothing to see here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 7, 2017 -> 08:28 AM) Sean Sears makes up stories. Nothing to see here. When I saw the name I knew it looked familiar. When I went to his twitter account and saw "Sports Mockery" I remembered why I knew him lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 What stories has Sean Sears ever scooped? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Feb 7, 2017 -> 08:35 AM) When I saw the name I knew it looked familiar. When I went to his twitter account and saw "Sports Mockery" I remembered why I knew him lol I laughed when I saw all the articles saying the issues were coming from the Nationals side, who do not want to absorb salary or move prospects for Robertson. I don't see a deal happening unless they cave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 7, 2017 -> 08:39 AM) What stories has Sean Sears ever scooped? Nothing Sports Mockey is D-List journalism, if you can even call it that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Feb 7, 2017 -> 12:59 AM) I don't know if this has been posted or not but this guy HAS actually scooped 2 stories this offseason, so he might know something... Sean Sears @sean_sears6 9h9 hours ago More #Nationals are playing it close to the chest with closer trade talks, a source of mine was told they were "exploring all options" Obviously that doesn't change anything, but he might be someone to watch on twitter if his source has info about Nats. Exploring all options is usually code for doesn't like the market prices, so they are thinking about something unconventional. That could mean a lottery ticket, or a trade for someone that no one is talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Sean Sears knows no more than any of us; just ignore him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 7, 2017 -> 08:58 AM) Exploring all options is usually code for doesn't like the market prices, so they are thinking about something unconventional. That could mean a lottery ticket, or a trade for someone that no one is talking about. For a team with world series aspirations the next two seasons, not having a proven backend of the bullpen can be a major issue. Say they roll with Treinen and Kelley as 8th and 9th inning options. That leaves them concerningly thin in the event one of them goes down with an injury. Bullpen issues could derail what is otherwise a championship caliber roster for the Nationals. I think they tried to get cute and have been burned by the market, now they might be forced into overpaying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Feb 7, 2017 -> 10:14 AM) For a team with world series aspirations the next two seasons, not having a proven backend of the bullpen can be a major issue. Say they roll with Treinen and Kelley as 8th and 9th inning options. That leaves them concerningly thin in the event one of them goes down with an injury. Bullpen issues could derail what is otherwise a championship caliber roster for the Nationals. I think they tried to get cute and have been burned by the market, now they might be forced into overpaying Agreed. They way overplayed their hand. They had a multitude of options and let them all go by. Now they have to get Robertson or they'll be burdened with a shaky bullpen for the beginning part of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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