Lip Man 1 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (ron883 @ May 23, 2017 -> 04:22 PM) I expect better out of an admin. I guess I was wrong. Rick is a good choice for what the team is going through right now...rebuilding. No real pressure. It remains to be seen if he'll still be the manager say in 2020 assuming the Sox are good. That will be a decision the organization will have to make, if they think Rick is a guy who can take a team over the top or simply be the caretaker for the near future to be replaced by someone else. There are coaches who for whatever reason have a good track record but just can't get over the hump. Jerry Sloan with the Jazz immediately comes to my mind in this regard. Edited May 23, 2017 by Lip Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Rebuilds this early on aren't measured in wins or losses. I will say Rick isn't costing the team games at this point like Robin did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 QUOTE (ron883 @ May 23, 2017 -> 05:22 PM) I expect better out of an admin. I guess I was wrong. Give it a rest man. Going after people really isn't going to make people not disagree with you any less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted May 24, 2017 Author Share Posted May 24, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 23, 2017 -> 07:54 PM) Give it a rest man. Going after people really isn't going to make people not disagree with you any less. I'm just messing around. I brought those jokes upon myself with my stubbornness and hardheadedness. Just not a big Abreu fan and I think he is grossly overrated around here. His demi-god status is reaching trump levels. It's ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 QUOTE (ron883 @ May 23, 2017 -> 08:16 PM) I'm just messing around. I brought those jokes upon myself with my stubbornness and hardheadedness. Just not a big Abreu fan and I think he is grossly overrated around here. His demi-god status is reaching trump levels. It's ridiculous. That's fine and you're entitled to that opinion, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to post "the sky is falling" type threads every time he slumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Posted this in game thread also, but he's making some dumb decisions with the bunt https://mobile.twitter.com/BenFinfer/status...216315773317121 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ May 23, 2017 -> 10:28 PM) Posted this in game thread also, but he's making some dumb decisions with the bunt https://mobile.twitter.com/BenFinfer/status...216315773317121 He's called for bunts with 2 strikes more often than anyone ever should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkness99 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 The positives: players seem to relax better under him than Robin. B+ The negatives: In a game that has minimal offensive strategy he seeks to force feed strategy into it.. D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 uhhh....yeah...this bunting crap is getting to be junior high level crap now. I get fundamentals and all...but c'mon man.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FT35 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 QUOTE (Wanne @ May 24, 2017 -> 12:16 AM) uhhh....yeah...this bunting crap is getting to be junior high level crap now. I get fundamentals and all...but c'mon man.... The other thing about Renteria is this...he is huge on defensive shifts. What's the best way to beat the defensive shift? Well a well-placed bunt on the 3rd base side of the field is tough to defend when your third baseman is standing on 2nd base. SO...from his perspective, when he sees teams in shifts on OUR hitters, his mind might be more apt to put the bunt on, because that's the play he's fearing when he puts his defensive shifts on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 (edited) If those mostly pull/power hitters could execute bunts with a 75% success rate, they'd have to eventually adjust but it hasn't happened yet to my knowledge...at least not on a consistent basis. Feel bad Davidson hit into a key DP in what might be his only at-bat of the series, With a huge opportunity to impress his former organization. Probably trying too hard. Edited May 24, 2017 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 24, 2017 -> 07:51 AM) If those mostly pull/power hitters could execute bunts with a 75% success rate, they'd have to eventually adjust but it hasn't happened yet to my knowledge...at least not on a consistent basis. Feel bad Davidson hit into a key DP in what might be his only at-bat of the series, With a huge opportunity to impress his former organization. Probably trying too hard. Davidson has been absolutely fine. I have no idea if he's a true talent 240/290/500 hitter that can play average defense at 3B in MLB, but he's given the team .4 fWAR and that is amazing given his prior problems. Anyways STOP f***ING BUNTING SO MUCH. Ugh. Renteria pissed me off last night. That said, he does so many things better than RV late inning wise. PH Narvaez was absolutely the right call even though he struck out. So was PH Avi. The Sox just didn't execute the simple task of making contact but I love how he forced the D-Back to load the bases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Enough. Of. The. Bunting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 If Renteria is a bunt guy, get rid of him as soon as the team gets good again. Bunting is proven hazardous to a team's chances of scoring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FT35 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 QUOTE (greg775 @ May 24, 2017 -> 07:34 PM) If Renteria is a bunt guy, get rid of him as soon as the team gets good again. Bunting is proven hazardous to a team's chances of scoring. I'm not a fan of the bunt either, but this might have to do with the fact that not a lot of guys can execute the bunt correctly--a fundamental issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balfanman Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 QUOTE (FT35 @ May 25, 2017 -> 06:07 AM) I'm not a fan of the bunt either, but this might have to do with the fact that not a lot of guys can execute the bunt correctly--a fundamental issue. Maybe that's why he's bunting so often. I'm sure he knows that this team is going nowhere for the next couple of seasons and he's trying to not only instill some fundamentals, but determine who he can count on to lay down a proper bunt when the games start to matter. It could also be a method of determining which players they would prefer to trade or keep for when the team does get good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 QUOTE (balfanman @ May 25, 2017 -> 08:27 AM) Maybe that's why he's bunting so often. I'm sure he knows that this team is going nowhere for the next couple of seasons and he's trying to not only instill some fundamentals, but determine who he can count on to lay down a proper bunt when the games start to matter. It could also be a method of determining which players they would prefer to trade or keep for when the team does get good. I think ST is a much better place to have bunting drills than in a regular season game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balfanman Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 QUOTE (SCCWS @ May 25, 2017 -> 06:32 AM) I think ST is a much better place to have bunting drills than in a regular season game. Generally true, but not when your team is going nowhere for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 QUOTE (balfanman @ May 25, 2017 -> 07:35 AM) Generally true, but not when your team is going nowhere for a while. This. This season is figuring out what young guys can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 I'm worried that the bunting will persist even when this team is good. Renteria just loves bunting, he always has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ May 25, 2017 -> 08:23 AM) I'm worried that the bunting will persist even when this team is good. Renteria just loves bunting, he always has. With the Cubs, he also was criticized with the way he ran the bullpen. He has had a couple of questionable decisions, but so far he's been OK there. Of course when the bullpen is getting guys out, you will always look good. He's certainly not some guru, but the players seem to like him, so he'll be OK. If the White Sox ever get to where they want to be, they won't have many guys in the line up where bunting is even a thought. That may be why he is so bunt happy now. We'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 (edited) He seems to have a lot of energy and I think that the players could feed off of it. Robin seemed like he didn't have a pulse most of the time and looked like he needed to be waken up a few times in the middle of the game. Also love that he gets in a player's face right away after the player makes a mistake and teaches him as opposed to waiting until after the game (Hawk said that is how Robin handled it). Edited May 25, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 25, 2017 -> 08:33 AM) With the Cubs, he also was criticized with the way he ran the bullpen. He has had a couple of questionable decisions, but so far he's been OK there. Of course when the bullpen is getting guys out, you will always look good. He's certainly not some guru, but the players seem to like him, so he'll be OK. If the White Sox ever get to where they want to be, they won't have many guys in the line up where bunting is even a thought. That may be why he is so bunt happy now. We'll see. But if he bunts with guys like Cabrera/Abreu, what would stop him from ordering bunts from the prospects? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ May 25, 2017 -> 08:57 AM) But if he bunts with guys like Cabrera/Abreu, what would stop him from ordering bunts from the prospects? They have not the best offense. Not a lot of power. He's trying to win, and eek out runs. If they have a line up that is potentially stacked, it might be different. Maybe not, but if he bunts too much with really good hitters, he won't have the opportunity for very long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 25, 2017 -> 08:33 AM) With the Cubs, he also was criticized with the way he ran the bullpen. He has had a couple of questionable decisions, but so far he's been OK there. Of course when the bullpen is getting guys out, you will always look good. He's certainly not some guru, but the players seem to like him, so he'll be OK. If the White Sox ever get to where they want to be, they won't have many guys in the line up where bunting is even a thought. That may be why he is so bunt happy now. We'll see. As it has been for years, I think the pen and pitching usage is pretty much up to Cooper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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