SoxAce Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: So you're saying the Yankees don't win a title if A-Rod is at short and Jeter at 2nd or 3rd? Trying to figure out what you're debating. A-Rod was the best offensive player in baseball arguably. Correa is no where near that. You said it not me. Also you are acting like Lindor isn't a very good defensive SS in his own right. This is a different case than Jeter at that position (which certainly you can argue why A-Rod wasn't there but we know the Yankees would never move Jeter). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 1 hour ago, SoxAce said: You said it not me. Also you are acting like Lindor isn't a very good defensive SS in his own right. This is a different case than Jeter at that position (which certainly you can argue why A-Rod wasn't there but we know the Yankees would never move Jeter). I'm acting like the Mets signed a player who derives a lot of value from being the best at his position defensively and they're moving him off that position. Lindor is a good defensive SS, no doubt about that. Correa had the highest wRC+ of all SS's last year, with his defense. Correa would have been 6th or 7th at 3B offensively last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 3 hours ago, SouthSideGeorgia said: Giants so desperate to make a move, any move… I wonder what they would offer for Timmy. I know, I know… we’d need a SS then. But I still wonder. What do they have that we would want? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: What do they have that we would want? Honestly nothing unless you wanted to rebuild and get Luciano and Harrison. It's an ugly roster that someone wins lol Edited December 21, 2022 by Squirmin' for Yermin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 yeah I don't think the giants are a good fit for anything related to near term success. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 1 5 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: I'm pretty sure Jerry would have a heart attack at the mere sight of a $111 million luxury tax bill. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 37 minutes ago, chw42 said: I'm pretty sure Jerry would have a heart attack at the mere sight of a $111 million luxury tax bill. Can cohen email it to him to start the proc....nevermind. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, EloyJenkins said: Can cohen email it to him to start the proc....nevermind. That'd be some petty s%*# from Cohen. So JR, you didn't want me to own a team...so attached is what I'm willing to pay in luxury taxes alone... Edited December 21, 2022 by chw42 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulfly Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 The difference in having an owner with money instead of just having an "owner" like the Sox do. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, soulfly said: The difference in having an owner with money instead of just having an "owner" like the Sox do. An owner with "f*** you money" to be more specific. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Not sure I'd say it worked. Correa is nowhere near the offensive player a rod was and the Yankees were worse defensively because of it. A lot of Correa's value is tied to the fact that he's the best defensive SS in baseball. Moving him off that position brings down his ceiling big time. If your entire argument is that arod and jeter didn’t work because the defense wasn’t as good, then ok I’m just not gonna pursue this any further Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Mercedes Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 2 hours ago, chw42 said: I'm pretty sure Jerry would have a heart attack at the mere sight of a $111 million luxury tax bill. what a little fish he is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 2 hours ago, chw42 said: I'm pretty sure Jerry would have a heart attack at the mere sight of a $111 million luxury tax bill. They probably had to have the defibrillator on hand when he authorized the signing of Benintendi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Kyyle23 said: If your entire argument is that arod and jeter didn’t work because the defense wasn’t as good, then ok I’m just not gonna pursue this any further no, my "argument" is that you are paying a player's premium price tag while not using a premium skill/value. unlike A-Rod, Correa isn't a top 3-5 hitter in baseball. Him shifting over is going to hurt his value. It's spending money just to spend instead of team building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 I thought the spending that the Dodgers were doing a few years back was crazy....Cohen is other worldly. Who knew hedge fund managers did so well for themselves?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 Bro they have to put a salary cap on baseball... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, pettie4sox said: Bro they have to put a salary cap on baseball... The earliest that can come is 2027 right? The current CBA expires after 2026. Edited December 21, 2022 by chw42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black jack Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 4 hours ago, Quin said: An owner with "f*** you money" to be more specific. Mutha f*** you money 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 23 minutes ago, pettie4sox said: Bro they have to put a salary cap on baseball... A cap won’t make JR spend. Cohen going bonkers deep into the tax doesn’t mean other will follow suit. If anything we need a floor so cheap teams invest and try to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 I don’t know the future of MLB, but I hate Manfred and what’s going on now. After this CBA, if it took missing an entire season to get a salary floor and cap, I would take that trade for the future of baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 43 minutes ago, wegner said: I thought the spending that the Dodgers were doing a few years back was crazy....Cohen is other worldly. Who knew hedge fund managers did so well for themselves?? His protege or whatever getting ruined by GameStop must have pissed him off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, flavum said: I don’t know the future of MLB, but I hate Manfred and what’s going on now. After this CBA, if it took missing an entire season to get a salary floor and cap, I would take that trade for the future of baseball. While the concept of a cap and floor that the owners passed around wasn't a serious proposal (the White Sox would be well over the cap right now, that's how big the salary limits were), if I had to pick which side was going to be more ardently opposed to a cap and floor it will always be the Union. They have fought so hard to keep this league uncapped that I'm not sure what it would take to get them on board with the concept, and frankly - the Union is ok with what the Mets are doing. Not only are the Mets spending wildly, but they're forcing other teams to keep up with them, and even with all that it doesn't even guarantee they will win their division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 I agree with @Balta1701 the players will never go for a cap and floor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Texsox said: I agree with @Balta1701 the players will never go for a cap and floor. Which is crazy, since going into that last CBA they were (depending on the metric you used) getting the smallest % of the revenue pie of the major sports. I don't know if that's been changed with the CBA and will need time to determine, but all-in-all, the lack of a cap has led to a perceived collusion by owners to slow salaries more-so than revenue growth. Cohen has thrown a wrench into that concept, but will other owners actually match or try and compete there? I doubt it for most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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