South Side Fireworks Man Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 The Sox need a 1B and a middle of the order bat. They have cleared a lot of money off the books and already said they would use it for international signings. If this is the best guy available, the Sox should pay whatever the market price is for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Aug 13, 2013 -> 08:49 PM) The Sox need a 1B and a middle of the order bat. They have cleared a lot of money off the books and already said they would use it for international signings. If this is the best guy available, the Sox should pay whatever the market price is for him. Isn't this pretty much the same reason we signed Dunn? Edited August 14, 2013 by iamshack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 13, 2013 -> 11:56 PM) Isn't this pretty much the same reason we signed Dunn? ITT: All slugging 1B are the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 13, 2013 -> 11:56 PM) Isn't this pretty much the same reason we signed Dunn? I thought in that case we specifically needed a LH hitting DH. It woulda worked too, if not for Ozzie's meddling kids... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 QUOTE (MAX @ Aug 14, 2013 -> 03:42 AM) If they don't, they might not defect. Really? You think becoming a multi millionaire isn't enough to defect from poverty? You need to be a multi-multi-millionaire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 13, 2013 -> 10:56 PM) Isn't this pretty much the same reason we signed Dunn? Yes, but that idea was good on paper. It wasn't like the plan was to spend a lot of money to sign a guy whose career would instantly implode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Aug 14, 2013 -> 08:19 AM) Yes, but that idea was good on paper. It wasn't like the plan was to spend a lot of money to sign a guy whose career would instantly implode. Oh, I know...and as you probably also know by now, I am one of Dunn's bigger supporters here. I'm merely pointing out that what seems like a simple decision on paper doesn't always work out like everyone thought it would. Look at it this way...Dunn had about as consistent of a career as one can produce in the mlb for a prodigious run producer. There was a lot more there to go off of than Abreu. And we all know what's happened. Just pointing out some of the risk in the path that everyone seems to be advocating. Edited August 14, 2013 by iamshack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 The kid is an option for Sox... http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/wh...n-williams.html Asked how active the Sox will be in free agency during the offseason, Williams said, ‘‘If there’s somebody out there that fits that bill, that fits in with a younger core for an extended period of time, why not?’’ He has seen video of slugging 26-year-old first baseman Jose Abreu, the next big thing in the Cuban defector sweepstakes, who will demand a huge contract. Too big for the Sox? They’ve cut payroll significantly with recent trades. While saying he wants to see more video, Williams didn’t rule out Abreu, who probably will get at least $50 million. ‘‘If it’s big money, it’s big money,’’ Williams said. ‘‘Can we fit it into our equation? We’ve gone out and spent money before at given times. It has to fit into the current equation and our three-year look. But I need to see more video.’’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 14, 2013 -> 10:22 AM) Oh, I know...and as you probably also know by now, I am one of Dunn's bigger supporters here. I'm merely pointing out that what seems like a simple decision on paper doesn't always work out like everyone thought it would. Look at it this way...Dunn had about as consistent of a career as one can produce in the mlb for a prodigious run producer. There was a lot more there to go off of than Abreu. And we all know what's happened. Just pointing out some of the risk in the path that everyone seems to be advocating. Well said. Risk indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 14, 2013 -> 03:22 PM) The kid is an option for Sox... http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/wh...n-williams.html This reminds me of the 2005 fan convention where people were clamoring for Tadahito Iguchi and management was acting like they didn't know he existed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 13, 2013 -> 12:51 PM) Which one of them will play 2b? Jeter/Nunez They need upgrades in the OF and at DH and can replace Cano's production+ with two bats in FA. Edited August 14, 2013 by IowaSoxFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Aug 14, 2013 -> 03:47 PM) Jeter Completely unrelated, but it's funny how much everybody adores Jeter for being such a stand up guy, when the truth is that he's too much of a prima donna to even consider the idea of playing another position -- despite the fact that he's been a bad defender for years. As his career winds down into the "constantly injured" phase, the only place they'll be able to stick him is DH, even though he could probably help them by filling in in other places where they have a need and his poor range would be less of a detriment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 As long as our scouts are 100% sold on Abreu, I think we have to go all out for him. The 2015 free agent list is horrific on the offensive side, with 3B being the exception. We desperately need to add a couple of young middle of the order bats to build around. I think Garcia can eventually be one of those guys, but outside of possibly Viciedo I don't see anything in the system helping us anytime soon. Signing Abreu for 1B this offseason and one of Headley, Sandoval, & Ramirez for 3B the following offseason would go a long ways toward fixing this offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 “@scottmerkin: Urrutia confirms defection of Cuban slugger Abreu http://atmlb.com/1a3AD7h via @mlb” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Aug 14, 2013 -> 03:56 PM) Completely unrelated, but it's funny how much everybody adores Jeter for being such a stand up guy, when the truth is that he's too much of a prima donna to even consider the idea of playing another position -- despite the fact that he's been a bad defender for years. As his career winds down into the "constantly injured" phase, the only place they'll be able to stick him is DH, even though he could probably help them by filling in in other places where they have a need and his poor range would be less of a detriment. Um, 2010 Gold Glove winner at SS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 14, 2013 -> 08:00 PM) Um, 2010 Gold Glove winner at SS. Raffy Palmiero won a GG at first base when he was a DH. Players win on past reputation. Jeter in 2010 is proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 14, 2013 -> 04:33 PM) As long as our scouts are 100% sold on Abreu, I think we have to go all out for him. The 2015 free agent list is horrific on the offensive side, with 3B being the exception. We desperately need to add a couple of young middle of the order bats to build around. I think Garcia can eventually be one of those guys, but outside of possibly Viciedo I don't see anything in the system helping us anytime soon. Signing Abreu for 1B this offseason and one of Headley, Sandoval, & Ramirez for 3B the following offseason would go a long ways toward fixing this offense. with sandoval's weight/health concerns? no way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 14, 2013 -> 08:31 PM) with sandoval's weight/health concerns? no way At some point you have to take some risks. We're not going to fill all of our needs from within and free agency isn't what it once was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 14, 2013 -> 07:41 PM) At some point you have to take some risks. We're not going to fill all of our needs from within and free agency isn't what it once was. understood....but that's not one you touch with a ten foot pole unless it's a situation like Jermaine Dye where his career's in doubt/danger and the risk/downside is minimized Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 14, 2013 -> 08:00 PM) Um, 2010 Gold Glove winner at SS. come on bro. everybody knows this is a joke. Jeter's gold gloves and Kobe's all-defensive first team votes are some of the biggest jokes in sports. many undeserved years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 14, 2013 -> 05:33 PM) As long as our scouts are 100% sold on Abreu, I think we have to go all out for him. The 2015 free agent list is horrific on the offensive side, with 3B being the exception. We desperately need to add a couple of young middle of the order bats to build around. I think Garcia can eventually be one of those guys, but outside of possibly Viciedo I don't see anything in the system helping us anytime soon. Signing Abreu for 1B this offseason and one of Headley, Sandoval, & Ramirez for 3B the following offseason would go a long ways toward fixing this offense. Keith Law said today that Abreu is worth no where near what Cepedes and Puig were because he is not an athlete like they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 QUOTE (oldsox @ Aug 14, 2013 -> 08:22 PM) Raffy Palmiero won a GG at first base when he was a DH. Players win on past reputation. Jeter in 2010 is proof. I know, my comment was a joke. Guess I used the wrong emoticon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 QUOTE (ptatc @ Aug 14, 2013 -> 09:34 PM) Keith Law said today that Abreu is worth no where near what Cepedes and Puig were because he is not an athlete like they are. This line of thinking is usually borne out in the draft process as well. How often do you see 1B picked in the first round? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 QUOTE (ptatc @ Aug 14, 2013 -> 09:34 PM) Keith Law said today that Abreu is worth no where near what Cepedes and Puig were because he is not an athlete like they are. They guy's been rated as 70 hit / 70 power. Who cares how fast he runs or if he can jump over a car? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 12, 2013 -> 08:28 AM) Ramirez has been just fine. Huh? Alexei Ramirez? walks? Career walk rate of 5% and has been around 2.8% over the past two seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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