ptatc Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Apr 21, 2014 -> 10:03 PM) Didn't Garcias MRI in Colorado come back clean? Usually the MRI will detect that much damage. I think the x ray was clean and that's to be expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 QUOTE (ptatc @ Apr 21, 2014 -> 10:16 PM) Usually the MRI will detect that much damage. I think the x ray was clean and that's to be expected. Oh ok. Couldn't remember which it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) Don't forget the Keppinger (not that it matters) and Nate Jones injuries. Â Then you add Sale now, Avisail, Beckham, Eaton (more of a day-to-day thing which they don't want to turn into 6-8 weeks), Paulino (fake injury?). Wouldn't b totally surprised if Downs goes to the DL as well if his poor pitching continues much longer. Â Â Â YET ONE MORE REASON TO BE CAREFUL DRAFTING RODON...after that 134 pitch outing a week ago. Â Â In the end, the White Sox are careful enough with their most important asset to know when sacrificing a couple of games in the standings is absolutely meaningless in the bigger picture. Edited April 22, 2014 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 21, 2014 -> 10:33 PM) YET ONE MORE REASON TO BE CAREFUL DRAFTING RODON...after that 134 pitch outing a week ago. Please. If Rodon falls to #3, we'd be stupid not to take him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Apr 21, 2014 -> 09:35 PM) Please. If Rodon falls to #3, we'd be stupid not to take him. Â Other than the fact that signing him at "Boras Dollars" would mean we couldn't sign 75% of our other draft picks... Edited April 22, 2014 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 The Sox have handled Sale very well. I can't believe how crazy people get about pitch counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 21, 2014 -> 10:37 PM) Other than the fact that signing him at "Boras Dollars" would mean we couldn't sign 75% of our other draft picks... He's Carlos Rodon. It's worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 21, 2014 -> 10:37 PM) Other than the fact that signing him at "Boras Dollars" would mean we couldn't sign 75% of our other draft picks... This wouldbe theonly reason not to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Apr 22, 2014 -> 02:36 AM) This never ends well  That's what I was thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Apr 21, 2014 -> 09:36 PM) This never ends well There's no guarantee but they were right the last time it happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) Last year, Gavin Floyd's initial MRI came back clean and diagnosed as a flexor strain. On the bright side, Hahn seems very optimistic about Sale. Edited April 22, 2014 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 21, 2014 -> 11:07 PM) Last year, Gavin Floyd's initial MRI came back clean and diagnosed as a flexor strain. On the bright side, Hahn seems very optimistic about Sale. As I said, MRI are not the definitive answers. The manual tests are generally more reliable in these cases. They'll know more when he tries to throw again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Thank god, but if Sale is seriously injured later on, just cancel this season. Avisail was bad enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 QUOTE (Jake @ Apr 21, 2014 -> 10:38 PM) The Sox have handled Sale very well. I can't believe how crazy people get about pitch counts. Â Dusty Baker is on your side. He feels that pitch counts are over rated as well. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Apr 21, 2014 -> 11:28 PM) Dusty Baker is on your side. He feels that pitch counts are over rated as well. He did it on a consistent basis. There is a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 How could anyone possibly question 127 pitches in week 3 of the season. it's as ridiculous as questioning running out of pitchers in the 14th inning. Â Hire a professional manager, please, Rick/Kenny/Jerry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Well, at least with Rodon, the NC State coaches are fighting for their jobs. Â You can see their obvious self-interest/conflict of interest. Â With Ventura, sure, the bullpen sucks (so far) and no reliable answers....Chris is a workhorse who knows his body and when he's feeling any pain or ouchy (he will tell Cooper/Schneider), he wants to get wins as much as anyone in the majors and to be that ace who throws shutouts...but if trying to get a win for Chris or being afraid to use the bullpen was the PRINCIPAL reason for Sale to be out there, it's dubious logic at best with your most important asset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Asked to comment on Chris Sale missing a start, Nolan Ryan had this for Sox Manager Robin Ventura "I told you to limit his pitch count!" Â Â BTW, this guy threw a lot of pitches, used a little Advil, and had a very long careeer . . . Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammy esposito Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Apr 21, 2014 -> 09:39 PM) I can't f***ing believe Robin let him go 127 in a meaningless game. f***ing firable offfense. If Sale pitched 127 it was because he wanted to win the game. He probably told Robin and Coop that he felt fine. I am guessing that Sale did not want to give the ball to any other reliever because he doesn't trust them like all the rest of us who watch the Sox already know this from watching their games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Apr 22, 2014 -> 06:05 AM) How could anyone possibly question 127 pitches in week 3 of the season. it's as ridiculous as questioning running out of pitchers in the 14th inning. Hire a professional manager, please, Rick/Kenny/Jerry. I blame Robin for running out of pitchers, but he needs some help from Coop on pitching matters.  QUOTE (sammy esposito @ Apr 22, 2014 -> 07:19 AM) If Sale pitched 127 it was because he wanted to win the game. He probably told Robin and Coop that he felt fine. I am guessing that Sale did not want to give the ball to any other reliever because he doesn't trust them like all the rest of us who watch the Sox already know this from watching their games  Yeah, these stud pitchers like Verlander and Sale and Peavy have pride and demand to stay in games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 QUOTE (sammy esposito @ Apr 22, 2014 -> 01:19 AM) If Sale pitched 127 it was because he wanted to win the game. He probably told Robin and Coop that he felt fine. I am guessing that Sale did not want to give the ball to any other reliever because he doesn't trust them like all the rest of us who watch the Sox already know this from watching their games Sale and his response is only a part of it. They watch him as well. Look for signs of fatigue, if his arm slot changes,his stride shortens or if he is getting under the ball. They do many other objective things other than just listeningto him. The Sox have been very good with preventing overuse type injuries over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Apr 22, 2014 -> 12:05 AM) How could anyone possibly question 127 pitches in week 3 of the season. it's as ridiculous as questioning running out of pitchers in the 14th inning. Hire a professional manager, please, Rick/Kenny/Jerry. Easily. He's done if before and he'll do it again. This far into the season he should be fairly fresh. The first deadarm period should have past, if he gets one. Even for those who think pitch counts are the way to judge a pitcher's fatigue, 127 isn't that many. Now, could it have caused it, sure but there is know it ahead of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Apr 21, 2014 -> 09:39 PM) I can't f***ing believe Robin let him go 127 in a meaningless game. f***ing firable offfense. Robin Ventura is proving to be a painfully terrible manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 So true  But this pitch count thing, we’re in the American League," Cooper said. "We’re not in Little League. But nevertheless, people that bring up pitch counts are people who have nothing else to really know. And it just blows me away. They’re doing that to say, ‘God forbid if someone goes down, I told you so.’ And these are people that are not in the arena and never really played, so what kind of validity does any of that hold? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I'll take the more optimistic view here and hope that he comes back from his DL stint ready to go. If Sale is sore and needs to miss a start or two, so be it. But the team has to be smart about it regarding who pitches in his place. Sale going to the DL alows them to call up someone. Otherwise, one of the bullpen standouts (see the sarcasm there?) would have to be stretched out for a start. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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