Dam8610 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 The White Sox are concerned about payroll this year, so why not structure a deal like this: Year 1: $10 million Year 2: $20 million Year 3: $20 million Year 4: $20 million Year 5: $20 million mutual option with team buyout of $10 million Year 6: $20 million mutual option with team buyout of $10 million That way, the worst case for him is he opts out after year 4 having made $70 million and thinking he can get more than $40 million for the next 2-3 seasons. If the team decides to walk, it's a minimum 4/$80 deal, with maximum potential of 6/$110. That seems to be a better deal than anything he's being offered at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 there's a lot of interest/activity in cespedes. no chance he has to settle for very short deal. rare power/speed/arm combo. https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/688791631957487616 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 So 2 days ago he was deciding between a 5 year $90 million offer from the Orioles and a 1 year offer from the Mets. Now there are 10 teams interested and he doesn't have to bother with a short term offer. You have to love the Twitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Jan 17, 2016 -> 12:46 PM) The White Sox are concerned about payroll this year, so why not structure a deal like this: Year 1: $10 million Year 2: $20 million Year 3: $20 million Year 4: $20 million Year 5: $20 million mutual option with team buyout of $10 million Year 6: $20 million mutual option with team buyout of $10 million That way, the worst case for him is he opts out after year 4 having made $70 million and thinking he can get more than $40 million for the next 2-3 seasons. If the team decides to walk, it's a minimum 4/$80 deal, with maximum potential of 6/$110. That seems to be a better deal than anything he's being offered at the moment. I would be shocked if he ends up signing for less than 6 years or 20M AAV. Unless the deal is *significantly* back loaded and gives him an early opt out, I don't think it's realistic to pay him 10M in year 1 of his deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 17, 2016 -> 01:05 PM) So 2 days ago he was deciding between a 5 year $90 million offer from the Orioles and a 1 year offer from the Mets. Now there are 10 teams interested and he doesn't have to bother with a short term offer. You have to love the Twitter. Yeah, sounds like the agent's PR machene working over time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ Jan 17, 2016 -> 02:06 PM) I would be shocked if he ends up signing for less than 6 years or 20M AAV. Unless the deal is *significantly* back loaded and gives him an early opt out, I don't think it's realistic to pay him 10M in year 1 of his deal. Remember, a "significantly backloaded deal" makes an opt-out cost the guy money. The more you backload a deal, the less value an opt-out has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Really starting to wonder about Toronto. Bautista will be 36 in October and a FA after the '16 season. I'm thinking Toronto could sign Cespedes this year to eventually replace Bautista after '16 when Bautista becomes a FA. A move like that would allow Toronto to bring Pompei along at a slower pace and allow him another season of adjusting to the majors. Another option for Toronto would be to sign Cespedes and trade Dickey. Not sure if there is any truth to the rumor but supposedly there were a few NL teams interested in Dickey in December. Toronto is not afraid of long term contracts, has some payroll space and is competing with Boston, Baltimore and the Yanks in the ALE. I think Toronto is a team that could offer Cespedes what he's looking for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 I really just can't see the Sox being able to come away with Cespedes at this point. 7-10 teams & somewhat long-term suitors don't bode well for them. I hope I'm wrong but this is just not playing out the way most were hoping, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ Jan 17, 2016 -> 01:06 PM) I would be shocked if he ends up signing for less than 6 years or 20M AAV. Unless the deal is *significantly* back loaded and gives him an early opt out, I don't think it's realistic to pay him 10M in year 1 of his deal. I think the odds of him signing for 6 years or more is slim to none. He's looking at a 4 or 5 contract IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Ten teams IMO: - White Sox - Yankees - Cardinals - Tigers - Astros - Mariners - Mets - Orioles - Angels - Dodgers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 17, 2016 -> 08:09 PM) I really just can't see the Sox being able to come away with Cespedes at this point. 7-10 teams & somewhat long-term suitors don't bode well for them. I hope I'm wrong but this is just not playing out the way most were hoping, IMO. So far, no proof anyone would go past 3 years. No doubt in my mind teams just don't trust him to stay focused on a long-term deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 17, 2016 -> 02:09 PM) I really just can't see the Sox being able to come away with Cespedes at this point. 7-10 teams & somewhat long-term suitors don't bode well for them. I hope I'm wrong but this is just not playing out the way most were hoping, IMO. Who exactly are these long-term suitors? If there are 7 to 10 teams interested, the vast majority are probably only interested in a 1 year deal. All these recent tweets are Cespedes' people trying to rebuild his market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 17, 2016 -> 12:10 PM) So far, no proof anyone would go past 3 years. No doubt in my mind teams just don't trust him to stay focused on a long-term deal. There's been a ton of smoke on him being a personality issue. I just can't believe Upton isn't getting more play from other teams. Been a very weird FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Ten teams doesn't jive with Cespedes demands. I don't buy this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 17, 2016 -> 02:07 PM) Really starting to wonder about Toronto. Bautista will be 36 in October and a FA after the '16 season. I'm thinking Toronto could sign Cespedes this year to eventually replace Bautista after '16 when Bautista becomes a FA. A move like that would allow Toronto to bring Pompei along at a slower pace and allow him another season of adjusting to the majors. Another option for Toronto would be to sign Cespedes and trade Dickey. Not sure if there is any truth to the rumor but supposedly there were a few NL teams interested in Dickey in December. Toronto is not afraid of long term contracts, has some payroll space and is competing with Boston, Baltimore and the Yanks in the ALE. I think Toronto is a team that could offer Cespedes what he's looking for. There's been numerous reports Toronto is trying to lock up Bautista and encarnacion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jan 17, 2016 -> 02:21 PM) Ten teams doesn't jive with Cespedes demands. I don't buy this. Of course not. 2 freaking days ago he was deciding between a 5 year and 1 year offer. The team that supposedly offered him 5 signs someone else. Now there are 10 teams in on him. BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 (edited) Who is another viable option for the Sox to be their Cleanup hitter? It would be reassuring to know that there is another candidate, if Cespedes signs elsewhere. Please don't tell me that Cabrera, or Frazier is going to bat behind Abreu, or God forbid Adam La Roche. There must be a player out there somewhere, whom the Sox could acquire, without giving up too much. Is there someone, to whom a team would like to rid themselves of paying a high salary, for the next 2 to 3 years? Someone besides CarGo or Ethier? Edited January 17, 2016 by Lillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 QUOTE (Lillian @ Jan 17, 2016 -> 02:41 PM) Who is another viable option for the Sox to be their Cleanup hitter? It would be reassuring to know that there is another candidate, if Cespedes signs elsewhere. Please don't tell me that Cabrera, or Frazier is going to bat behind Abreu, or God forbid Adam La Roche. There must be a player out there somewhere, whom the Sox could acquire, without giving up too much. Is there someone, to whom a team would like to rid themselves of paying a high salary, for the next 2 to 3 years? Someone besides CarGo or Ethier? Ask it stands right now, Frazier is most definitely slated to bat behind Abreu. Still better than what the Sox had last year. I just don't see the Sox making any more trades to improve the lineup. It's going to cost too much. Maybe they say screw it and forfeit the pick to get a guy like Fowler to strengthen the top of the order as opposed to the middle. Eaton, Fowler, Abreu, Fraizer is not a bad 1-4. I'd still rather have that big bat though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jan 17, 2016 -> 02:27 PM) There's been numerous reports Toronto is trying to lock up Bautista and encarnacion. I can believe Encarnacion but I don't buy them trying to lock up a 35 year old Bautista. It would be smarter to sign a 30 year old Cespedes instead of extend a 35 year old Bautista. I realize it's not what Sox fans want to hear but I really do see Toronto as a threat to sign Cespedes to a long term contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 I like Frazier's power, but not that OBP. And, I'm worried about the switch to the A.L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 QUOTE (Lillian @ Jan 17, 2016 -> 02:49 PM) I like Frazier's power, but not that OBP. And, I'm worried about the switch to the A.L. I have the same concerns. He looks like the ideal #5 hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Larry King chimes in https://mobile.twitter.com/kingsthings/stat...817830842638338 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 It's strange as the more I read about Cespedes, the more I want nothing to do with him from the Sox standpoint. Sox aren't going to outbid everyone else on a short deal and I agree with them that anything more than 3 is too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 QUOTE (Lillian @ Jan 17, 2016 -> 02:41 PM) Who is another viable option for the Sox to be their Cleanup hitter? It would be reassuring to know that there is another candidate, if Cespedes signs elsewhere. Please don't tell me that Cabrera, or Frazier is going to bat behind Abreu, or God forbid Adam La Roche. There must be a player out there somewhere, whom the Sox could acquire, without giving up too much. Is there someone, to whom a team would like to rid themselves of paying a high salary, for the next 2 to 3 years? Someone besides CarGo or Ethier? If you want to trade for a cleanup hitter without "giving up much," you're going to be disappointed in who we would get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 17, 2016 -> 02:53 PM) Larry King chimes in https://mobile.twitter.com/kingsthings/stat...817830842638338 I don't buy it. Now if Seinfeld comes out and says the Mets are signing Cespedes, that's a different story! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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