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The $250 mill guaranteed the Sox were going to offer was a better deal to be honest.

Good luck keeping Jo Adell, idiots!

This team fucking sucks and I'm losing my passion for it for the first time in my life.

Ok, so your point is you’re content settling for the ineptitude and ineffectiveness of the owner and his front office. Set the expectations low and you won’t be disappointed seems to be your White Sox fan mindset. Fair enough, you are quite clear about that and certainly entitled to that opinion. Meanwhile, other fans are entitled to their own opinions as well, including the ones where they set the bar considerably higher than you do, which obviously with this owner/FO routinely leads to disappointment. C’est la vie! Others have the same right to b**** about that as much as you do to b**** about those who do.

Looking forward to lots of opportunities to list players' names in short, one- to two-line segments. Sometimes with first names, sometimes: what the hell Yelich, Cain, Braun, Bob Uecker Jon Rauch Rocky Biddle, Buehrle, Mike Caruso, Parque, (James Baldwin, the Milkman); even Ricky Henderson/Bobby Bonilla if all goes right Also looking forward to pivoting to lists of unrelated, vaguely esoteric-sounding topics. Monetary theory. World War I. Malcolm Gladwell: Tipping Point? Also links https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/mar/17/as-recession-looms-could-mmt-be-the-unorthodox-solution-modern-monetary-theory Long embedded quotes of questionable relevance and provenance "The most recent indiscretion of sign-stealing, or at least alleged sign-stealing, took place on Monday in a game between the Yankees and Orioles, After the final out of the game was made, Andino yelled at Yankees catcher Russell Martin as the victorious Yankees made their way down the handshake line at midfield, as seen in the video here. He was evidently egged on by Martin, who had something to say to Andino after he believed he was tipping the location of Mariano Rivera's pitches in the final inning. Allegations like this from Martin are nothing new, but more on that later." Starting threads

Once again...Machado's deal was a "Bargain" compared to market rate. We will never have a chance at a top 10-15 player for under 300 million ever again. But at least we will have that Eloy money saved up for years...

Least surprising post of all time.

Everyone was convinced that the Sox front office would spend the money on good players to assist the rebuild when the time came. Well, the time came but now it is obvious that part of the rebuild strategy was simply being cheap and saving profits. Going after Machado and Harper “at their own price point” was one big sham to save face with the fans and I’m glad it has backfired on them. Hahn and Kenny have been proven to be both liars and terrible executives.

I am looking forward to a leap from Yoan, a much improved bullpen, as well as what our MiLB hitter do this year. Specifically I want too see what the OF glut and the middle infielders at the lower levels do.

Shouldn't the Angels save that money to sign their players five years from now? Seems like an irresponsible use of money

Controversial opinion - he should have taken 10 million less.

Imagine being paid half a billion dollar and 90% of people wouldn't recognize you walking your dog. That's the dream.

Yes, I was going to say this is good for baseball, good for Trout, and good for White Sox fans, as we will be spared the half assed pursuit of him during free agency, where bringing in his friends, or letting him meet Jim Thome should be enough for him to take tens of millions less than anyone else. Obviously at his price KW cannot afford to build a winning team.

Scott Boras didn't even get to hold the record for a month. Awesome.

I guess Rick and Kenny can stop scouting Trout's relatives and friends.

That's not perspective nor fact, this is you just making shit up and slapping some arguable/debatable language in there and listing names per usual

The most important skill is fooling hitters and location which of course helps with missing bats , The best pitchers are usually high K guys but causing weak contact is more efficient and almost just as good.

Because most of your posts are complaining about someone else’s posts. Do you ever actually post about baseball or just tell everyone how they know nothing. How Bridgeport is crime ridden and a slum...

Easy tiger. Just messing with you. Don’t go whipping out your net worth on me 😆

No one is crying more than you. As usual.

It isn’t fans’ job to find solutions to team problems. That’s a job for, you know, people whose job it is. I think fans have every right to complain and hold the team accountable.

That's where I'm at. This was a once in a generation chance to jumpstart this rebuild and almost guarantee its success by adding a 5 WAR player in his prime. That moves the needle big time. And they completely passed up this chance because of cheapness and the downside risk, which was minimal by any sane analysis. Fuck this club.

Rebuilding wasn't necessarily wrong. What was wrong was who was in charge of doing it. Clowns who couldn't recognize major league talent and could not develop players were now going all prospects. Crazy. I do agree, JR needs to sell his teams. Let someone else give it a go. His way isn't working and hasn't for a long wbile.

Then.Stop.Replying.

You are the one making it a point to reply to me whenever I post something that isn't angry enough. Heck most of the time I ignore the initial replies I get from you.

Is that markedly better than “I told/warned you guys from the beginning that rebuilding wasn’t as easy as it appeared” and “White Sox fans aren’t going to support any team that’s not a guaranteed World Series contender, look at 2010 and 2012.” ??? Doesn’t that get old to keep reiterating as well? You’re not going to change the tenor of conversation by placing the blame on the backs of Sox fans...not after what they all just went through this offseason. That will be about as popular a position as taking hamburgers, guns and airplanes away from 33% of the populace.

Can sit pretty much anywhere you want...no long lines. Still have the Cubs to cheer against. Watching Anderson, Moncada, Jimenez, Robert, Madrigal and maybe Collins/Zavala. Dylan Cease. Lopez, of course. Draft in June with a series of high picks. Trade deadline...hoping against hope to turn our veteran scrubs into legit prospects or at least Palka’s, Leury’s and Yolmer’s.

I hate to say it but most of us know it's true. The only way out of this current White Sox irrelevance is new ownership. Until that happens, I expect more Tommy Johns, more bad draft picks, more free agent low-ball offers, consistent lack of development (especially at the position player side of things) and more excuses from the big guys upstairs. Oh but we will be continuously reminded that pre-existing narratives have changed and that the White Sox and Cubs made a deal, and that they will spend premium money on international talent. Okay, Rick, i'll give it to you, that was a Hell of a trade and the Robert signing was awesome. But you have made more questionable deals than good ones, so lets focus on that. The Sale deal doesn't look so good as of now, the Shields deal was tragic and I don't care how cute it was when you called yourself a jackass about it. The Eaton deal appears to be a wash at this point.. We are sitting here today with an above average farm system, a horrible MLB roster and a TON of $$ to spend that will NOT be spent on superstar talent (unless that notable superstar will take a coupon instead of guaranteed $$) .And with all of these premium superstars signing early, the free agent market looks very bleak the next few seasons. Seriously, what are White Sox fans supposed to do? We are supposed to give hope to a management that dug us this tremendous hole to begin with? Ugh. This is beyond rock bottom. This is baseball Hell! Someone please talk me off the ledge.... (not literally).

Please stop saying this crap. It is unfounded in anything factual. TJS is a procedure to replace ligament tissue, either from elsewhere in the body or cadaverous material. It is done to replace a TORN UCL. If there is nothing torn, there is nothing to replace. If Dunning has a strained/sprained UCL that did not include a tear, then the only viable option was to try the heal/strengthen route and then ramp him up again. Sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn't. You can think the Sox training/medical staff has made mistakes, and maybe they have. But do you really think they would KNOW there was a significant tear, and try to avoid the surgery anyway? That helps literally no one, the Sox or the player or anyone else. There is zero motivation for that. Therefore, clearly there was no significant tear yet, so they took the only medically responsible path available to them. This sucks, but the conspiracy theories are ridiculous.

Sox would have offered 8 years, $300 mill with a bunch of incentives and options to be worth 12 years, $460 mill. Kenny: "Our offer is better. All he has to do is basically stay healthy."

From my point of view it was always whale or rebuild. Carlos Gonzalez was never the right answer.

No one in the world is buying White Sox tickets for Carlos fucking Gonzalez...you’re taking this marketing stuff way too far Caulfield.

Pardon my own tweet, but here is video of the filthy moonshot that Vaughn just unleashed. In his previous AB, the pitcher would not even get CLOSE to throwing him a strike. Kept flipping him loopy curveballs out of the zone. In his next AB, he had 2 guys on base and 1B was not open....and this is what happens...

Wait, do you think Lopez not striking out anyone is sustainable?

This is very important, but isn't always 100% fool proof. We don't know the intricacies of what each one of these guys are doing as they prepare for the season. I recall a few Buehrle outings in ST where he literally threw nothing but fastballs just so he could get a good feel for the pitch, and he got hammered. For all we know, Lopez was told by Cooper to initiate contact in this start. Guys are still in preparation mode for the season. Positive takeaways from this start is Lopez is healthy, appears to be fully stretched out for the season, and left the Sox in position to win.

Good god, like that bullpen needs any help. Hope they get him, screw the Cubs and Epstein/Maddon Finally, more proof that the Padres and Brewers (small market teams) can make "big market" moves.

Jose is murdering the baseball tonight

So your answer is to lay back and take it up the ass? I mean who cares about this thread on soxtalk but I'd encourage every single Sox fan to make their opinion heard via their wallet in any way possible. I'm not spending a single dollar on MLB products and Sox shit this year or anytime soon. it's really the least I can do.

It is an opportunity they aren’t going to have again. 26 year old free agent superstars don’t come along very often and even less with the big boys sitting out. The goodwill it would have done would more than pay for the extra $25 million a year 9 and 10 years from now. Now they have lost some more people and it will take a while to get back to where they were fan wise when they seemed serious about Machado and Harper. i really don’t get it. IMO, they would have been better off just being what they always are with high priced free agents instead of playing the game that they were willing to do what it took. It pissed off way more people. They still have the prospects. Hopefully something really good happens, and their draft is outstanding. Even though Eloy will be here soon and the team should be at least a little better than the last couple of years, and really there are some interesting storylines, I really am less enthused about this season than any I can remember. Maybe it’s because I now know that if it ever is time to win, I don’t trust the White Sox to have anything but their checking account balance on their minds.

People want a perpetual rebuild as much as they want a trip to the dentists office every month. As a fan, it matters jack shit what we want. JR has surrounded himself with yes men who tow the company line in exchange for a guaranteed job for life. Any successful leader will tell you that is a horrible approach to running an organization. We are definitely starting to see signs that this rebuild is not gonna go the way of the Cubs/Astros. Hahn and KW are writing the beginning chapters on how to royally screw up a rebuild and alienate your fanbase.

Ahead of the 2017 draft there was a lot of rumors of jeren kendall to the white sox. I remember actually going through a ton of college hitters looking for the highest k rates while still being successful. I wanna say after 18% k rate was when you started to get into outlier territory. I think Judge was 22%, corey ray was 13% in his junior year but 20% his sophomore. Kendall was 25%. There really is a point where it's too unlikely they can handle mlb pitching. Kendall had a .650 ops last year with a 27% k rate in A+

Right, right, but see that would cost money and we need that money to pay Eloy in 7 years.

Will there be a SoxTalk bracket tourney this year?

Sox should offer him a 5 year 4 million contract today. 6th year 12 million option 2 million buyout. He might sign it if he's still woozy from the gas.

Seriously like a week ago people were pissed off at the IDEA of signing Carlos Gonzalez.

I can’t believe he has the balls to take interviews at this point. His offseason was terrible. He overpaid Jon Jay. CarGo only got half the guaranteed money. He took on Alonso’s bloated salary and helped the Indians cut payroll. Nova is an obvious overpay at $8 million if Gio only got $3 million. He signed a bunch of mediocre unnecessary players for $50 million and missed out on his primary target because of $50 million guaranteed. The irony is hilarious.

It’s hard to fully grasp sometimes just how badly they blew it this offseason.

Hahn paid $8 million and a prospect for Nova and $4.3 million for Santana Gio is signing with the Yankees for $3 million and incentives. https://mobile.twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1107797969913475075 All Hahn had to do was sign Machado and Gio and people would be happy. What a terrible offseason.

This blows. Giolito, Kopech, Cease, Fry, Bummer, Burdi, and now Dunning. Has there ever been that many key guys for a rebuilding team go under the knife?

Definitely makes sense on the Tigers, Royals or Orioles.