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If the price is right I agree we should sign him. Him and Kimbrel. Everybody is mad we didn't sign 2 average hitters in Machado and Harper for outrageous money, when pitching(and defense) wins championships.

You don't need to start a thread every time a thought pops into your head.

When 5 IP, 6h 4BB and 6R, 4ER is improvement, you've already eaten the crap sandwich.

Yolmer's best trait is being a clown with a Gatorade bucket.

1 hit...

Why aren't both at fault? Ricky overmanaged the heck out of this game. He made a bunch of moves he didn't have to make and they blew up in his frickin' face.

time to DFA Sanchez

Hey look guys, a major league pitching performance by a White Sox pitcher!

Theres not much of anyone who is better in CF than Engel

I could at least find 15 better hitters Harper and Machado and they want the most money ever. I Still believe the Sox can win this division. I'm not scared to sign Dallas or Kimbrel.

That’s what I would call “baseball stupid.”

“average hitters”? Lol oh my

I agree Harper and Machado were and are waaaay overrated but I don't like the fact he has a pick attached to him. Kimbrel? Sure, at a good price.

Who made you the thought police?

I said all offseason when people were freaking out like little school girls at the prospect of getting Harper and/or Machado that this team isn't any good. That we need to have a foundation before we worry about choosing what type of flooring to buy. That stance remains unchanged the number one problem with this franchise is not an inability to spend money it's an inability to judge and develop talent at the minor league level. If anything the one saving grace and what gives us the best chance is moving forward is we don't have a ton of big money contracts on the roster. Whomever comes in afterwards is free to execute their own vision on their timetable. I don't care how much money the owner makes in the nearterm we are all aware this is at best a mid market team and in order for the Whitesox to be successful we need to have numerous guys on their pre-FA contracts play well. Once that happens then lets worry if the Chisox/Jerry aren't spending but until then I don't want Hahn or KW to burden the next regime with a bunch of longterm deals so he can win a bunch of meaningless games in lost seasons

What the fuck does the Cubs or Astros rebuilding have to do with Jerry Reinsdorf wanting to win or not? And to answer your dumb question, those teams wanted to win so badly they decided to take on short-term losses to set themselves up for sustainable success. Moving past your nonsensical post, all owners want to win, the difference between a good owner and bad owner is what they do to support winning in a handful of areas. 1) Are they willing to commit as much of their financial resources as they possibly can into the team. 2) Are they able to hire smart baseball people to run their organization. 3) Are they willing to create a culture of accountability and replace leaders that fail to build a winning product. 4) Are they willing to allow their front office to operate free of restrictions and shape the organization as they see fit. Reinsdorf fails in all those areas. He refuses to invest in his club preemptively to build fan interest when it could pay dividends long-term. He also refuses to go into the red even when there is strategic merit for short-term losses. Jerry wants to win as long as there are some profits to be made and he isn’t forced to go into cash reserves. For 2 & 3, he has had the same two guys lead this organization for the last 15 to 20 years and the results have been very poor to the say the least. Part of that is due to short-sighted decision making that saw us go for it year-after-year despite our owner not willing to commit the necessary financial resources to successfully execute such a plan. However, the lack of investment in analytics and player development is probably the bigger crime and has put us way behind most organizations. Unfortunately, Jerry’s culture of unwavering loyalty allows for stubborn & uncreative thinking and prevents an influx of new voices with fresh ideas. Finally, for item 4, Reinsdorf has a vast history of interfering with operations. For years we couldn’t go over slot in the draft because he was buds with Bud. We couldn’t offer pitchers too long of deals because of his risk tolerance. And there is no doubt in my mind the constant “go for it” mentality we previously operated under is the result of Jerry dictating the strategic vision of the franchise. I have no doubt Jerry would rather win than lose, but his actions (or lack thereof) have been a deterrent to the organization’s well-being and he is no doubt a bad owner for the reasons I highlighted above.

A WHIP of 2? An ERA of 7.2? That is completely dreadful. He gutted it out yeah, but he was bad. He made it 5. Against a depleted Yankee team in terrible conditions. But it doesn't look like a turning point. If the Sox were a real team right now, this would not even be somewhat almost nearly acceptable. But seeing as they're not maybe you are right. There is no reason to not hope on him becoming a servicable starter.

As in he will become a star with one franchise but win a World Series with another because of shitty ownership? Great! Cleveland rocks!

He needs to be in Birmingham. Not because of a 9 game sample but because he was too talented to start in A+ to begin with.

Robert with a 3B. 3/4 today.

The only thing that needs to die in a fire is your pitiful and unsubstantiated suggestion that the current owner “wants to win”, when there is no such evidence to back up this lame claim.

But it’s true. If you want to win, you spend money. The Sox talked a big game about it and ended up with neither Machado nor Harper and an offseason of trash acquisitions.

Why didn't GIo have a short leash in yesterdays game? He let Gio go over 100 pitches despite battling most of the game but pulls Nova who cruised the whole game. Renteria's strategy is awful. I haven't even mention the ridiculous pinch hit of Sanchez for Rondon just because a pitching change. He puts way too much emphasis on righty/lefty lefty/righty match ups which causes him to make awful moves like that. I'm not someone who uses managers as scapegoats. I never jumped on the Robin hate bandwagon like most White Sox fans. I didn't use him as a scapegoat for bad White Sox teams. Robin was hated for managing a team that failed for many years but his managing was never as bad as Ricky's.

im ok with pulling him there

Ugh. Rick Renteria overmanaging himself out of the league. I know this year doesn't matter, but when things do matter, I want basically anyone else.

WTF You made me think he hit a HR

So did Freddie Garcia

How is his first point (A) a cliche? It’s a fact.

This is unwatchable. Slow working. Nibbling when he gets ahead. 1 man pace of play crisis.

1-55

He would provide as much value to the future at 2B as Yolmer.

Two more things: A.). He HASN’T won recently, if you haven’t noticed. He HASN’T won in over a decade, and is presiding over the 4th longest playoff drought, and B.) If you truly believe he “wants to win”, how do you explain how every other team in the A.L. Central, which includes three small market teams, has had a total team payroll at one time greater than anything Reinsdorf has ever shelled out in a given year? You couple that fact with the disgraceful display of full-on cheapness we saw this past offseason, and you have no leg to stand on claiming this mongrel “wants to win”. As a few other posters have mentioned, “actions speak louder than words”.

Nah, his mechanics got so fucked up last year he lost his velocity too. His start to this season has been very promising from a stuff stand point. Now he needs to work on repeating his delivery and release point. Big arms take a long time to figure things out. He is a massive man with a lot of moving parts.

Yes we have sidekicks who can and do contribute. Leury deserves credit.

I’d be more in favor of sending him from AA to the majors then skipping AA for AAA

Cant believe some of you all turned that historic night into a cesspool of whining and complaining

Madrigal only has 25 at bats at Winston Salem and has 5 hits. I don't consider that terrible or a reason for concern.

Yeah, I'm not sure if he expected everyone to get off to hot starts. The season just started. I'd say Walker has looked good too.

Robert, Collins, Cease, Sosa, Zavala, Lambert, and Flores are all off to a good start. And the most important two (Robert and Cease) have been phenomenal.

Oh god, please tell me the rebuild has not gotten so bad that we are trotting out Zack Collins as a reason to be excited.

So the Astros and the Cubs didn't want to win when they blew it up? More flathom fathom flavum soft takes.

That was a cheap HR. If anyone other than Leury is in RF that is an out. The broadcast said the xBA on that HR was .100

It would be interesting to see what Leury would do over an entire season if he remained healthy.

I'm not even going to take a lot out of this start for Gio. Throwing a slick baseball in the pouring rain is not fair. Not to him and not to the fielders either. They shouldn't be playing this game.

probably more accurate than saying Giolito has good stuff.

Just because someone says “JR wants to win” doesn’t mean it’s really true. Actions speak louder than words, and he sure doesn’t seem to be putting his organizations in the best chance to succeed.

He “doesn’t know how”? The longest tenured owner in the game “doesn’t know how” to win? Shouldn’t it be the other way around? I could see saying something like this about a new ownership group like what Jeter has going down in Miami. But saying this about a guy who’s been at this for nearly 40 years now screams out “failed ownership” more than anything else that could possibly be said.

Well yes, he wants to win, but who doesn’t? Every owner in the game wants to win, so this characteristic does not differentiate Reinsdorf from his peers. What does differentiate is how he prioritizes winning among his two other top objectives: profitability and his so-called “loyalty” program. The goals around those two seemingly garner far greater attention and prioritization than putting a winning product on the field. His record supports that. Reinsdorf has made the Sox quite profitable, which is great for him and the investors. Successful there. Reinsdorf has been wildly loyal to people within the organization upon whom his favor rests, whether they’ve been good and successful at their jobs or not. He’s been successful in letting people he likes to stick around indefinitely. That’s good for Reinsdorf and his friends in the organization. It’s the objective of putting a winning ball club together, which would be GOOD FOR US, THE FANS, that he’s miserably failed to achieve. That’s the cause of the angst with the fan base, pure and simple. And all of this has pretty much defined Reinsdorf and his 38 years of ownership of the ball club.

I still think Mozeliak is the best in the business. Having the balls to let Pujols walk won me over. Los cojones grandes. He's great at making decisions on who to pay. Goldschmidt and Holliday were great examples.

What difference does August 1st make as opposed to "by July 1st"? Isn't Super 2 in June?