SoCalChiSox Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, MyNamesRod said: Not sure if it’s been posted here, but raBBit tweeted that its not Vaughn Sound like it has to be Madrigal and/or Dunning. I imagine Dunning/Basabe/Stiever should net something halfway decent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, bmags said: Yeah, feels like the rockies may as well be in England for as little reporting nationally as they get. I have no idea what their mindset is this offseason. They want to cut payroll. Gray doesn't make a ton so it's a good thing they have a bunch of bad contracts the Sox can take on to make a deal work. Charlie Blackmon, Wade Davis, Ian Desmond, Bryan Shaw, Jake McGee, Daniel Murphy are all guys the Rockies would like to move. A couple of those guys could actually be good fits for the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: Sound like it has to be Madrigal and/or Dunning. I imagine Dunning/Basabe/Stiever should net something halfway decent. I think it's Cease or Lopez. If we are getting a good starting pitcher, we probably have to give up a major league ready starting pitcher prospect in return. Would Cease, Collins, Walker, Flores come close to landing Snell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: They want to cut payroll. Gray doesn't make a ton so it's a good thing they have a bunch of bad contracts the Sox can take on to make a deal work. Charlie Blackmon, Wade Davis, Ian Desmond, Bryan Shaw, Jake McGee, Daniel Murphy are all guys the Rockies would like to move. A couple of those guys could actually be good fits for the Sox. Good call. Bridich is one GM I wouldn't mind Hahn dealing with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 10 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: They want to cut payroll. Gray doesn't make a ton so it's a good thing they have a bunch of bad contracts the Sox can take on to make a deal work. Charlie Blackmon, Wade Davis, Ian Desmond, Bryan Shaw, Jake McGee, Daniel Murphy are all guys the Rockies would like to move. A couple of those guys could actually be good fits for the Sox. Yeah Blackmon probably the best, murphy could swing as a DH (though hopefully not). Desmond...man he is bad. If we acquired davis I'd really want tthat to lessen the prospects as he is so bad its essentially giving them money. Honestly lets just give them money at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 18 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said: I think it's Cease or Lopez. If we are getting a good starting pitcher, we probably have to give up a major league ready starting pitcher prospect in return. Would Cease, Collins, Walker, Flores come close to landing Snell? If the Rays value Cease highly, maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: If the Rays value Cease highly, maybe. I like Snell a lot.. But he still makes me a tad nervous as a bust candidate. If you take out his massive year he's just been "fine". Not a Cease deal type guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Granted, I just don't want to trade any of our top prospects. I'd rather just sign Ryu or get wild and try Strasburg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 It's self defeating to deal Cease. I'm good dealing Lopez plus that package I noted earlier since there will be a numbers problem in the rotation with him anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 13 hours ago, GreenSox said: 17.5 WAR for Danks; 16 WAR for McCarthy. In the first few years of their trade, Danks was better, and McCarthy was hurt so I guess it was good. It wasn’t even remotely close. That trade was a massive win for the White Sox. McCarthy’s success came later. The Rangers got 2.2 fWAR out of McCarthy in that trade. The White Sox got 15.4 fWAR out of Danks before they extended him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 34 minutes ago, MyNamesRod said: Not sure if it’s been posted here, but raBBit tweeted that its not Vaughn Can you post? Just looked for it, and couldn't find. Saw a response saying Robert isn't going anywhere, but nothing on Vaughn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, SoCalChiSox said: It's self defeating to deal Cease. I'm good dealing Lopez plus that package I noted earlier since there will be a numbers problem in the rotation with him anyway. It's only self-defeating if Cease turns out good but he's a very risky prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, bmags said: It's only self-defeating if Cease turns out good but he's a very risky prospect. I get what he was saying: trading a starting pitcher for a more expensive starting pitcher leaves us with improved starting pitching but still a need of 2 starting pitchers, with less money available to make it happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Can you post? Just looked for it, and couldn't find. Saw a response saying Robert isn't going anywhere, but nothing on Vaughn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: I get what he was saying: trading a starting pitcher for a more expensive starting pitcher leaves us with improved starting pitching but still a need of 2 starting pitchers, with less money available to make it happen. Exactly. Trading Cease makes pretty much no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: I get what he was saying: trading a starting pitcher for a more expensive starting pitcher leaves us with improved starting pitching but still a need of 2 starting pitchers, with less money available to make it happen. Right but there is a chance that this was always necessary. I don't necessarily trust sox valuations, but what if they already weren't confident Cease would be a starting pitcher? They'd also have a need to upgrade him, so they were always in that boat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, bmags said: Right but there is a chance that this was always necessary. I don't necessarily trust sox valuations, but what if they already weren't confident Cease would be a starting pitcher? They'd also have a need to upgrade him, so they were always in that boat. Whose player evaluation would you trust more, the White Sox or the Rays? I'll hang up and listen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Exactly. Trading Cease makes pretty much no sense. Only way trading Cease makes any sense is if your internal evaluation is lower than what the market values him at. I like Cease, and he has certainly had his market detractors.... so far, he's proven every doubt about him wrong, which is a kid I like to hang onto, but if the Sox view him as a back-end guy or a high-leverage reliever down the road then moving him for a Snell or something would make sense but again, I think Cease is one of those guys that has overcome a lot of doubt to get here... and I don't think he's going to stop now. His size has always been a concern and always will be a concern. It is what it is; that was a concern when you traded for him. Edited December 9, 2019 by Look at Ray Ray Run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 27 minutes ago, bmags said: Yeah Blackmon probably the best, murphy could swing as a DH (though hopefully not). Desmond...man he is bad. If we acquired davis I'd really want tthat to lessen the prospects as he is so bad its essentially giving them money. Honestly lets just give them money at this point. Davis was really bad last year but closing games in Colorado is the hardest job in baseball. If it means getting Gray I'd take a chance on Davis at least being servicable outside that pitching hell hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 I get why everyone is talking Snell but I really don't think it's him. Even with the injury, 5 cheap years of a Cy Young winner? No way that gets done with Cease as the headliner. It would have to be Robert. That's why I'm thinking more Syndergaard, Price, Gray, and so on. Snell has too much cheap control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, Jose Abreu said: I get why everyone is talking Snell but I really don't think it's him. Even with the injury, 5 cheap years of a Cy Young winner? No way that gets done with Cease as the headliner. It would have to be Robert. That's why I'm thinking more Syndergaard, Price, Gray, and so on. Snell has too much cheap control Not Price, as he’s not coveted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 11 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said: This is encouraging.. He was probably just commenting on the Collins, Vaugh and Stiever the guy asked.. So maybe no Cease/Madrigal too.. So maybe it's our second tier we are fine with moving? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Whose player evaluation would you trust more, the White Sox or the Rays? I'll hang up and listen. I do think the sox floating players to the rays and seeing which ones they like in order to improve their own valuations is a decent idea. But the problem is I also trust the rays to proactively make the player better, so they may have plans for cease the sox don't have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: I get why everyone is talking Snell but I really don't think it's him. Even with the injury, 5 cheap years of a Cy Young winner? No way that gets done with Cease as the headliner. It would have to be Robert. That's why I'm thinking more Syndergaard, Price, Gray, and so on. Snell has too much cheap control He has 4 years $48.5M left. So while that is cheap for a player with his talent, its not like like he's making nothing. 20: $7.6M; 21: $11.1; 22: $13.1; 23: $16.6M Up to $1M in escalators per year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 hours ago, cjgalloway said: Gosh I would hate that trade. Funny because eveyone else would be willing to pack Nick's bags if it was 1 for 1 Madrigal for Gallen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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