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7 hours ago, fathom said:

What if it’s a one year deal for Tony with a “manager in waiting” that Hahn has wanted to bring in but doesn’t have enough experience?

I would like to believe that the team would prefer stability in the manager role in their contention window rather than more turnover and 3 different voices in 3 seasons? Doesn't seem like an optimal situation to put the players in. 

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7 hours ago, fathom said:

What if it’s a one year deal for Tony with a “manager in waiting” that Hahn has wanted to bring in but doesn’t have enough experience?

I just don't understand the point. From what I know, AJ Hinch is the manager Hahn wants. So this scenario would be like a Joe Espada or something? Why would La Russa manage for one year? It's a dumb idea. 

7 hours ago, tray said:

Y2JO:   Hahn has no leverage and realistically he knows that the Sox would not miss a beat if he quit.  I am enjoying the suspense created  be the mere suggestion that JR might be meeting with LaRussa.

Not really. Rick Hahn could work anywhere. Why would he work in a place where he wasn't able to make the decision? If Tony La Russa is the next manager of the White Sox, it's 100% a Jerry Reinsdorf. If that's the case, Jerry's old ass should just run the team day to day as well. 

6 hours ago, IWokeUpLikeThis said:

Wow. Tony LaRussa is a HOF Legend. Hearing of this possibility gives me goosebumps.

Jack McKeon won a World Series at 72. George Halas’ first and last titles were 42 years apart. Connie Mack managed until 87. 

LaRussa’s built a legacy on being forward-thinking and outwitting his adversaries. Jim Leyland is on record calling him the GOAT. 

LaRussa’s as sharp as they come. He’s stayed up to speed on the sport. And he’s refreshed and refueled.

This all feels surreal to me. I hope it’s true. This organization is about to take us on a magic carpet ride if they pull this off. 

Barf. La Russa also likes to tell black players how they should feel and where they should sit before games. Bringing this dinosaur in to manage this particular team is idiotic. It could ultimately be fine because managers are overrated in general but this is one of the most White Sox things ever. Take a step forward and two steps back. 

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7 hours ago, soulfly said:

That was also at a time when most of the league was starting to juice.  Also the league turned a blind eye to it because they needed the fans to come back to the game.  I'm no fan of the steroid era, but it's hard to compare the two wrongs on equal footing.  Not saying it was right, but there is a slight difference between what happened back then with a huge chunk of the league and one team cheating to win.

The Sox weren’t juicing.  Lots of players and lots of teams weren’t.  The A’s were at the bleeding edge of cheating along with the Rangers. Also, Astros weren’t the only ones electronically stealing signs. That’s why Manfred sent the memo. The Red Sox were certainly doing it, and people had strong suspicions about the Yankees.  I believe Chris Sale had some fairly strong suspicions about the Tigers as well.  I am no fan of the Astros, I’m just saying, if we’re gonna be anti-cheaters, those A’s teams were among the worst I have seen.

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5 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

The Sox weren’t juicing.  Lots of players and lots of teams weren’t.  The A’s were at the bleeding edge of cheating along with the Rangers. Also, Astros weren’t the only ones electronically stealing signs. That’s why Manfred sent the memo. The Red Sox were certainly doing it, and people had strong suspicions about the Yankees.  I believe Chris Sale had some fairly strong suspicions about the Tigers as well.  I am no fan of the Astros, I’m just saying, if we’re gonna be anti-cheaters, those A’s teams were among the worst I have seen.

Huh? There were a TON of players that were. Bret Boone, Marcus Giles, Albert Belle, Sammy Sosa, Brady Anderson, ARoid, Rafael Palmero, Roger Clemens, Andy Pettite, Barry Bonds and the list goes on and on and on. If people want to kill La Russa for his age, managing style or people skills fine, but if you are killing him because of his team cheating that is the wrong smoking gun to focus on. At one point or another EVERY team has had a player that was juiced or that team has done something to "cheat". I have heard the same argument for those that don't want Hinch or Cora because of the Astros stuff. It is a ridiculous argument. Baseball has had many scandals and issues in its history. Steroids, gambling, doctoring balls, corked bats, sign stealing, hell grounds keepers letting grass grow or adjusting mounds and baselines. You have to find the right fit for this team at this time. Bottom line. 

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16 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

The umpires had a bigger impact on the White Sox win % in the playoffs than the Manager did.

My point is essentially the Sox over performed - you will justify that performance as solely a representation of PD and career years and etc. Ricky didn't make optimal game decisions late in the season, but those decisions direct impact on the game is smaller than what it is represented as here. For example, in a 3-3 game in the 7th there were 42+ opportunities to do something prior, just counting outs, and there were multiple AB's with RISP, or multiple errors that put them in the spot; maybe a missed signed, or etc... you get the point.

A game in which Renteria puts the wrong reliever in during the 8th, when the game is tied or Sox are up 1, but Madrigal made 2 errors early that led to 3 runs was not a game that Renteria "lost." And this is exactly where the idea that a manager loses all these games is nonsense. The Manager made an ERROR just like a player did. A certain amount of errors and that leads to an increase in expected runs against or decrease in runs for; enough of those added up and it can equal a win. A manager might impact some runs over the season, but he DIDN't lose the game in those games. The players had many more opportunities than the manager to make a difference, and they simply didn't get it done. The biggest difference too is that a managing error - even when egregious - isn't worth a whole run like a fielding error or baserunning gaffe. It's putting a guy who is 6% more likely to give up a hit, or 8% more likely to allow a run to score. It's not like the choice is between a guy with a .100 BAA and a guy with a .600 BAA. Renteria made a lot of errors down the stretch.

I don’t know if that is true, they give and take away. But the White Sox have no control of the umpires. They do have control of the manager, and Ricky showed them that even if he didn’t do it this season, he could cost them championships in future seasons. It was a bold and shocking move, but one that probably had to be made if they plan on having a WS contender next season. EE in the middle of the line up, I can make a case that is OK. But having your worst pitchers on the mound in key situations when you really have to win? And look at him hunched over in the dugout. He was overwhelmed by playoff baseball.

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3 hours ago, hi8is said:

Welcome to Soxtalk!

Thanks!  Where is the buffet?

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5 hours ago, Kyyle23 said:

Jaws I honestly don't give a fuck what you think 

We’re gonna need a bigger boat. 

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8 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

I'm not sure if it was shared already but this was Jeff Passan on La Russa from 2016: https://sports.yahoo.com/news/the-hypocrisy-of-tony-la-russa-and-the-understandable-fears-of-black-baseball-players-045857175.html

 

I'd love to know Tim Anderson's thoughts on Tony becoming the next manager. 

Great article; thanks for sending.

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It seems even from Nightengale, it is either LaRussa or Hinch. 
 

I do have a problem with Hinch and cheating. Why he wouldn’t or couldn’t stop it is very concerning. But if they hire LaRussa, I think I will laugh. Then cry. I thought we were finally rid of this guy 34 years ago. 
 

The one scary thing is they get rid of Cooper but leave the other coaches around in case the new manager wants them. Doesn’t that scream Dave Duncan?  LaRussa said he was offered a job last year and would have taken it had Duncan agreed to come with him. Duncan is another year away from losing his son to cancer, maybe he is more willing.
 

Who knows.Maybe Hinch has someone from the Houston organization or somewhere else in mind for that role.

 

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10 hours ago, Timmy U said:

We should have a barf reaction.  I don’t doubt this is good info, it would just ruin my fandom. Giving this exciting young team to that sour curmudgeon would depress the hell out of me.  I might have to do the unthinkable: start watching the Mets.

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24 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

I'm not sure if it was shared already but this was Jeff Passan on La Russa from 2016: https://sports.yahoo.com/news/the-hypocrisy-of-tony-la-russa-and-the-understandable-fears-of-black-baseball-players-045857175.html

 

I'd love to know Tim Anderson's thoughts on Tony becoming the next manager. 

Who would be your pie in the sky greatest possible choice right now?

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9 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

If Tony La Russa is the next manager of the White Sox, Rick Hahn should resign immediately. 

Hahn fucked up down the stretch.  Jerry wants someone who won't make those same mistakes. 

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28 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

It seems even from Nightengale, it is either LaRussa or Hinch. 
 

I do have a problem with Hinch and cheating. Why he wouldn’t or couldn’t stop it is very concerning. But if they hire LaRussa, I think I will laugh. Then cry. I thought we were finally rid of this guy 34 years ago. 
 

The one scary thing is they get rid of Cooper but leave the other coaches around in case the new manager wants them. Doesn’t that scream Dave Duncan?  LaRussa said he was offered a job last year and would have taken it had Duncan agreed to come with him. Duncan is another year away from losing his son to cancer, maybe he is more willing.
 

Who knows.Maybe Hinch has someone from the Houston organization or somewhere else in mind for that role.

 

This is my gripe too.


If you are in charge and you can’t stop your players from cheating...are you in charge?

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25 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

Hahn fucked up down the stretch.  Jerry wants someone who won't make those same mistakes. 

How did Hahn fuck up down the stretch?  By not making a trade for a starting pitcher?

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1 hour ago, Dick Allen said:

I don’t know if that is true, they give and take away. But the White Sox have no control of the umpires. They do have control of the manager, and Ricky showed them that even if he didn’t do it this season, he could cost them championships in future seasons. It was a bold and shocking move, but one that probably had to be made if they plan on having a WS contender next season. EE in the middle of the line up, I can make a case that is OK. But having your worst pitchers on the mound in key situations when you really have to win? And look at him hunched over in the dugout. He was overwhelmed by playoff baseball.

Agree with you as well; I mentioned in another post but the stage clearly got too big and the guy was a nervous wreck. Pacing... hands on the knees... nervous face.. etc. He blew it and is being held accountable. In big spots every .01 run matters and renteria choking hurt the team in those spots. The termination was 100% warranted BUT it wasn't Rick renterias fault they didn't win it all.

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31 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

Hahn fucked up down the stretch.  Jerry wants someone who won't make those same mistakes. 

by not mortgaging any part of rhe future for a shortened weird covid season?

Yeah I'm not buying that for one second. Jerry's mad that hahn didn't spend and invest more at the deadline? Please.

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9 hours ago, fathom said:

What if it’s a one year deal for Tony with a “manager in waiting” that Hahn has wanted to bring in but doesn’t have enough experience?

Jirschele

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5 minutes ago, poppysox said:

Jirschele

Why not reverse it?  Hire jirschele as manager and LaRussa as a consultant.  That is what Boston did w Cora and LaRussa in 2018. 

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1 minute ago, runtheballdown said:

It looks like TLR with a j pierzynski as the bench coach and manager in waiting. 
 

baseball will be exciting in so land again.

Ummm yeah ok and Leo Mazzone as the pitching coach. 

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2 minutes ago, SCCWS said:

Why not reverse it?  Hire jirschele as manager and LaRussa as a consultant.  That is what Boston did w Cora and LaRussa in 2018. 

I would love it.

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1 hour ago, Kyyle23 said:

Who would be your pie in the sky greatest possible choice right now?

I think Hinch should be the guy. He's the best manager available and could be here for a decade.

45 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

Hahn fucked up down the stretch.  Jerry wants someone who won't make those same mistakes. 

Yeah I just don't agree with this. The game 3 plan was perfectly fine. Crochet got hurt and they panicked. If Crochet doesn't get hurt, I think they win that game. Jerry has been holding back the franchise forever though so nothing would surprise me. 

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