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This board is full of 8-year old children. Yes, the team blows. It’s because it’s full of young kids learning to get good. This is what a rebuild looks like. Be patient or NO XBOX WHEN WE GET HOME DO YOU HEAR ME

His utter failures and calls for a disaster of a rebuild resulted in a 2 fWAR. That's perfectly fine for any young player's 1st full season.

Easy. Put Madrigal at catcher.

I was all for trading for Yelich as long as the cost centered along pitching prospects not named Kopech but what would’ve arguably set the Sox and their timeline back. I applaud the Sox for sticking to their guns and not trying to cheat this process, to painful now but the reward will be worth it.

Okay guys. Crowdsourcing. What the hell is this guy talking about? Rebuilds suck. For everyone. There were Tribune articles about the Cubs rebuild. There are ignorant posters here who don't understand how the MLB works. You take the good where you can find it and if you look at the minors, you find it.

Too soon to say. The speculation about Madrigal is a little silly right now. When he comes up we'll have a better idea who Moncada is. Until then, there's really nothing to talk about.

Watching the playoff game between Dodgers and Rockies. Buehler pitching lights out for LA. Geez, he looks great. Could not help but notice that he was drafted in in first round by Dodgers at number 24 in 2015. Same year we picked Carson Fulmer at number 8. Both were teammates at Vanderbilt that year. How could Sox be so wrong?

They are now very familiar with striking out, walking people, giving up a lot of runs, bad baserunning, not getting on base, foolishly bunting,and losing games. The problem is, they all were pretty familiar with all of that before this season . I get they knew winning wasn't going to happen this year, but if they want to say this season was successful in any way, it's fluff. What else are you going to say when despite playing 2 teams 38 times that lost 98 and 103 games, you have the franchise's worst record in 48 years?

As most of you know this is my first season watching , I've been reading up on Post Season and trying to get my head around what is going on with these one-off tiebreakers , think I'm up to speed Watching the Brewers play some other team on ESPN .

Respectfully, Yolmer Sanchez, Adam Engel and Kevan Smith are average to below average players. If those are the players were touting as draft success, it's not very good. TA has been a nice player and a good pick but the FO should get it right more often than not if we want the type of success we're hoping for. So not all bad, but my point is there needs to be much more improvement.

I don't think there is any way to evaluate the Sox drafting and development and call it a success.

Give me one example of a MLB GM who hasn't had a winning season in 6 years who still has a GM job? Footlongcomiskey started a post a few weeks back about how this rebuild is a epic failure. He listed most of the moves made by Hahn. You could get into a serious discussion on this site as to what were Hahns worse moves. His drafts, trades or free agent signings. He has missed on most of his moves. No GM is going to hit on every move but Hahn has missed on the majority of his moves. His contract runs out after the 2019 season. I figure another 100 loss 2019 season should finally see him out the door as the GM.

It gets old trying to read this forum for unique content only to come across the same old crap for pages: Jack Parkman defending his negative sports view and everyone else debating him on it. Jacktalk.com it is, I guess. Go Bears.

In 2016, the Oakland As and Atlanta Braves finished last in their divisions with 93 losses each. The Milwaukee Brewers lost 89 games and finished slightly ahead of the Reds, still 30 games behind Cleveland. Two years later and now they will all be duking it out for jewelry. They all took different paths but I don't think any of them 'tanked' in the way the Sox are...with a multi-year horizon (uh excuse) toward competitiveness. Its amazing they are allowed to get away with it. Its okay to nurture prospects but when they are ready, bring them up and in the meantime, at least attempt to field quality players at every position.

Yes, definetly GM of year in NL. Sox could have easily traded for yellich (signed cheap til 2022!), Signed moustakas cheap , signed Cain etc but didn't do squat. Brewers took advantage of the "tank on purpose" market and got excellent, cheap free agents and traded AAAA prospects for a MVP. They also have a good manager , depth due to signings / trades / drafts. Great job by the Brewers organization, a very fun team to watch, as the Sox try to imitate the 2013 Cubs for the third year

The Brewers didn't do a full rebuild.

That's what THIS rebuild looks like. That's not what many others looked like, including everyone's fav., the Brewers. And this rebuild had lots of advantages others didn't. This management team was inept when trying to win, yet somehow they are supposed to successfully rebuild a team? The worse talent-evaluators known to man. Re Kopech, he's one pitcher. Successful rebuilds stockpile the pitching.

You come across as so intelligent but your points are empty calories. Tim Anderson is a much better player this year than last year. Moncada struggled but learned to take his lumps and get back out there. Reynaldo Lopez was good even when his stuff wasn't. You're not watching the same team as everyone else or you don't know what you're watching. Striking out, walking, giving up runs are part of development when your team is so young. This team is a couple of years away and the guys in the majors outplayed the minors and had nothing else to learn there. And when Moncada, Anderson improve it's against the best talent now.

You're just flat out wrong here. There are a few guys in that list that should, and will be, "flushed". The vast majority are not.

Covey is not terrible. Definitely not a starter, but I think he can be that guy in the bullpen that can eat a couple innings. Aaron Bummer has a 2.51 FIP while striking out 10 per 9 innings. Lefty with 5 years of control, so you're wrong. Jose Ruiz has good stuff, you can't base anything off of 4 innings of work lol. Ludacris.

Moving a physically gifted defensive second baseman (as proven by his range stats) to third base because of a prospect who's still in single-A is pretty foolish and probably not something that has ever happened. It reminds me of the meathead "move Tim Anderson to center field!" stuff from May

Of note here, Yoan Moncada led all 2Bs in OOZ plays with 90.

One really cool stat that tells you where Tim Anderson is... https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=y&type=1&season=2018&month=0&season1=2018&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=14,d

Well if they can get a top flight -college dominating pitcher with their first pick in the draft next year that would help...but a 'Sale' comes once in a lifetime...I fear next year will be a replay of this year unless Moncada can fix that hole in his swing-Abreu gets into the swing with a hopefully solid Jimenez debut and Avi has a 'comeback year'....nah too many ifs ...

That is a 20 game improvement. With no Kopech, I think that is a stretch. Now we are in a lousy division but I think 10-12 game improvement would be good.

Yeah the Owner should clean house to clear the air. Get rid of all the coaching staff and stale manager to let the returnees and newcomers next year start afresh.. If they couldn't avoid a 100 loss season which should have been their prime objective this last week- I wouldn't want them in charge of the 'rebuilding' . I'd think a younger group of coaches and manager could provide the needed energy for a rebuild and retooling.

Releasing controllable and cheap players like Covey, Fulmer, Ruiz, Vieria, Cordell, Leury, Tilson, and Bummer makes absolutely zero sense and stating otherwise exhibits a rather stark lack of understanding of the game and is just meatball talk. Gomez, Gonzalez, Santiago, Scahill, Shields, and LaMarre are all very likely gone. As is whoever Castro is, because we don't have a Castro on the 40 man. Jones will be retained because its cheaper to retain him than buy him out. By the way - Merkin made a post on twitter about Nate's option and appeared not to know this. Pretty embarrassing. Farquhar is a unique situation and I hope the Sox bring him back on a minors deal. Minaya and Tilson are probably DFA'd to make 40 man room, but Minaya was pretty decent at times this year so may be retained. I'd non-tender Avi, but I could see it going both ways. Same thing for Leury, but I'd keep Leury around.

Yelich knocks in 1st run of the game and steals second,

I looked at only one team and I found what you are looking for--Atlanta Braves. YR 1 --95 losses YR 2 --93 losses YR 3 --90 losses YR 4 --Division Champs White Sox: YR 1 --95 losses YR 2 --100 losses YR 3 -- ? YR 4 --Division Champs? Interestingly, both teams had similar records in the year prior to their teardowns: Atlanta was 79-83 and the Sox were 78-84. Atlanta fired their manager after a 9-28 start in YR 2 of the rebuild. They fired their GM the year prior to the start of the rebuild.

Copy. Paste.

The rebuild is in year two.

I've seen posts backing up the window to contend a season, even two, based on his injury. So what if he doesn't come back? Are the White Sox screwed? If Palka or Narvaez become useful, that's a bonus, but guys like Giolito and Lopez and Cease and Moncada and Robert, at least a few of these guys, need to be what we hoped they can be. We already have Eloy in the HOF, so if he gets hurt or struggles initially, watch out.

GUYS HE SAID IT AGAIN

The team blew when they "were going for it". Having the same people run the rebuild that ran that being questioned is legitimate. If this entire rebuild is dependent on Michael Kopech, a guy who was throwing a lighter baseball 110 MPH in the offseason a year and a half ago, being healthy, it needs a new architect. Maybe not the JR is cheap he is raking in all this money argument, but there is a legit question as to how this team is being run, from the front office to the coaching staff.

A DH platoon seems like a waste of resources with as limited as bench sizes are in 2018.

You're probably right. Most GMs would have blown the team up. I would like to think they would have been more successful at the results than what has happened under Hahn. The team just suffered a 100 loss season. It looks like more 100 loss seasons are on the horizon.

Scioscia would be a punishment, not a reward.

That also means in the month of September, he added 1 fWAR to his total, which is highly encouraging.

A sentiment certainly underscored and accentuated now on the heels of a 100 loss season, no doubt.

Stop with your nonsense already. Bad things happened for quite a long time with Reinsdorf’s equally sh*tty predecessor owners. Most here probably didn’t live through the Allyn/Veeck eras, but it doesn’t take a whole lot of effort to research and become familiar with their records of futility as Sox owners. However, the one difference that separates all prior owners to that of Reinsdorf is the existence of the “sweetheart lease deal” that Reinsdorf has gleefully enjoyed for the past nearly 30 years. The deal that through some arguably unscrupulous negotiating tactics he inflicted on Illinois state politicians at the time, he managed to get the state to guarantee and pay him very generous profits EACH AND EVERY YEAR, NO MATTER HOW BAD THE TEAM PLAYED. Neither Veeck nor the Allyn family operated under such an advantage. But Reinsdorf has, ever since 1991. Yet with all of those years of handsomely subsidized profits - 28 years now in the running - hardly a sniff of the postseason. Profits guaranteed and taken to the bank, results on the field, eh, not so much. That’s what we the fans have gotten under Uncle JR.

That's the most important part. I hope we get Adley, but only if he actually plays himself in to top 3 consideration next season. If he slumps and projects in the mid-1st RD, then I would against the pick. That being said, I think the idea of Madrigal and Rutschman playing together for a long time would be amazing.

What? If you listen to Soxtalk bad things didn't happen before JR took over.

100 is such a nice round number, thank god this disaster is done.

It's the posters. We're mid-rebuild. Everyone chill the heck out. Part of the plan. Side note: Wayyy too many bad posts by Draft Picks, lately. I can only assume it is frustrated Cub fans.

Yes, this team is a joke. 2019 will be worse than 18 unless they make massive changes. Fire Hahn, KW, Renteria, Coop (great coach but statement needs made), trainers, to start. Sign a real GM who can build his own staff. There's some minor league depth , but many are injured/not ready. It really wouldnt be hard to make this team competitive of they signed decent free agents , made some trades as 50% of the teams are in rebuild mode. We will have another top 5 pick, And lots of $ to spend. No excuse not to be in 2nd place next year, and oh yeah, the Hahn era has cost the Sox billions in revenue from ticket/merchandise sales and radio/tv deals due to lack of interest in a shit team

Thank you, It's a full rebuild. This isn't a linear thing, it's a time/experience/health thing to find out what we have. No way to declare anything yet until these guys get their fair shot at the majors. Prospects put it together, most will fail. Sox have to spend money and they know that. We'll see how much things change ST 2019.

Machado, and it isn't particularly close.

Reinsdorf would never sign a free agent for more than he gave Albert Belle, until he did. Reinsdorf would never spend big money on unproven Latin American amateurs, until he did. Reinsdorf would never stomach a full-scale rebuild, until he did. All of that had 25 years of past precedent. The White Sox are undergoing a process theyve never undergone before. Past precedent just can’t apply in the same way it did before this rebuild. Also, your claim about my career/supporting ownership is completely ridiculous and even more baseless than anything else in this thread. It’s like saying “you work for McDonald’s, you have to support Wendy’s executives.” I’ve never met Jerry Reinsdorf. I have no opinion or knowledge of him or his personal tendencies. I’ve been frustrated a lot of times with this team’s direction over the last fifteen years or so, and I’d probably be beating the same drum as you if they’d spent the last two years doing the same half-assed Melky Cabrera bullshit as before. But they haven’t. They said they were going to bite the bullet and try something new for once, something that has recent, objective precedent for being an optimal strategy, and goddamn it they HAVE. They have actually followed through to this point, and they deserve the opportunity to finish what they’ve started. Based on what this team stated and how it’s acted over the past two seasons, I see absolutely zero evidence to suggest that ownership is impeding progress at all. If anything, these people seem more “on the same page” than at any other time I can remember off the top of my head. If this rebuild fails, they unquestionably need to clean out the front office. And if it fails because jerry refuses to provide the resources necessary for it to succeed, then I’ll be the next foot-long T-Longo-Marty43. But let’s give them an actual shot here. Their adherence to their own stated guidelines lately should absolutely buy them some benefit of the doubt, at least in terms of believing what Hahn is saying about spending money.

I don't consider Eloy and Kopech getting to and performing well in MLB to be "bold" predictions, so... Luis Robert takes the 2017 Ronald Acuna development path. Alec Hansen spends most of the year at AA, dominates in a September callup, and is slotted into the 2019 rotation. Seby Zavala continues to hit and establishes himself as a top 100 prospect and legitimate starting C prospect.

Bold predictions: Luis Robert absolutely rakes upon return and is in the OD roster discussion for 2019 Cease takes a significant jump forward Rutherford begins to bust with low contact rates and no power Kopech is up by July latest Jimenez up in September after destroying AAA after his June promotion Basabe becomes a Top 100 prospect by season's end Fulmer and Lopez both struggle early but settle down toward's the summer and put together solid seasons Brice Turang is taken 4th overall