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This organization has never taken defense seriously as part of the equation. Fundamentals are not taught. This is why for years the Twins beat us with lesser talent. We have pitchers that dont know how to hold runners. We have OF's who blow through their cuts allowing the trailer to advance and keep a big inning moving. We dont run the bases that well. And defense, good grief. Watch our LF who can barely catch a ball on routine fly balls. Sometimes its like watching a freshman baseball team who beats up on other freshman bad teams thinking that is the same as the varsity. Then they move up to varsity and get their ass handed to them. Beating other teams in the playoffs requires execution. Until we can put a complete game together for a few games in a row we are looking at first round exits until some other bad team in the AL Central takes the crown from us and does the same thing.

He made one of the most miraculous comebacks ever, not just to play, but to play in the major leagues. And he held his own, enough where I can't imagine most teams wouldn't think he didn't have a productive future. Your post is vile. It shows you aren't a White Dox fan, just someone who wants to complain about something. It also shows what an incredibly small person you are.

Well moving on from Grandal must have made them advance through playoff rounds right?

White Sox winning one ALDS game in the playoffs: trash team that can’t compete. Brewers winning one NLDS game: model org to try to live up to

Oh so three examples jfc caulfield

Eloy needs to hit the cut off man.

I think the Sox are going to be aggressive early and they're gonna spend.

Wherever we are in that Top 10, it's much closer to 10th than 1st at the current moment. How would you rank Tony LaRussa against those 10 managers? Which GM's would you take Rick Hahn over in that Top 10? They really have no choice but to make a high-risk trade OR spend money, and it's not Hahn's nature to do either one of those very well...except for extensions of his own players. For example, if Cease was the actually the 4th best pitcher in baseball, according to FG, then he would get a similar haul to the Sale, Q and Eaton trades. If you don't believe he is ever going to be a true TOR guy that you CONFIDENTLY start a Game 5 or Game 7, then of course you don't ever make that trade, but dealing guys like Burger or Sheets isn't going to move the meter, either. That's the kind of move the White Sox would have to make to shake things up, or trading Lucas Giolito. Otherwise, you're having to move Jimenez or Vaughn to get back anything of value, and I don't currently trust this front office to make the right decisions on either one of those guys, TBH. I actually do prefer not to live in a fantasy world where dealing the guys we don't want on the team like Keuchel and Kimbrel are going to replace spots on the roster that only FA spending can replace when our farm system is so bereft of talent ready to contribute at the big league level. At any rate, thanks for putting words in my mouth. Nowhere on this site this entire season have I mentioned rebuilding. I think you're confusing that mindset with Parkman posts. Until proven otherwise, though, assumptions about a 2022 payroll of $170-180 million are coming from where, exactly?

Let's see what performance we get out of Grandal during the next two seasons, when he's going to be critical to the team's success in the post-season... Considering we have nearly a decade of moves to look at now with Rick Hahn, I would hardly define that signing as an unparalleled success, especially if you consider what happened against the Astros, and the fact that the Dodgers refused to rely on him defensively when he was even younger. Catchers are not meant to maintain their level of play into their mid-30's unless they switch to 1B/DH. Somehow, Sal Perez and Posey managed career resurgences, but I would hardly count on it, anymore than we should expect a Lance Lynn repeat of his 2021 numbers. To me, Grandal and Jose Abreu are quite similar at this stage in their careers. They're not hurting the team, certainly, but they're not generating any surplus value due to their salaries and decline age curves hitting right in the heart of our window. I would give that signing a B/B-, considering the fact that it was the biggest overall contract in the history of the franchise.

Please acknowledge that the white Sox will make zero moves and will end up with the exact same team

What poem is that from?

Recognizing racism isn't becoming woke. I enjoyed those games (I was 12-22) in the 90s and when I realized what was going on it definitely changed my enjoyment of those games and I wasn't a fan of it. At some point a lot of bigoted pejoratives changed from regular conversational words to words that should not be spoken due to their meaning to a race. If you want to push back on ageism so much then maybe you should sit this one out .

Asros back to the Sries

Remember back in the day when Garpax would give away 2nd round picks for money? Ayo is this year's 2nd round pick and he's already been productive. Garpax were such complete shit.

Lonzo Ball only has 1 assist but 4 blocks and 3 steals... that's pretty insane the blocks for a PG.

From Sports Chicago.... 'Happ seemed to be playing himself into a non-tender candidate by late-July — hitting .175 with a sub-.300 on-base percentage and .603 OPS, barely five months after beating the Cubs in arbitration to win a $4.1 million salary. Since then, in his final 60 games, starting July 27, Happ hit .288 with a .938 OPS and 16 of his career-high 25 home runs'

The game also featured an offensive pass interference penalty on an offensive lineman and a false start penalty on a kicker.

The Sox absolutely have to get a left handed 2B if they get this guy. I wonder if trading Vaughn is on the table at this point. They simply need to get more left handed.

I'm going to go ahead and make a Grandal thread for you to white knight in.

I can agree on that haha. Definitely a lot of passion in our fanbase and winning another WS needs to happen.

You completely disregard most of what the post says, spin it around to a narrative that YOU want it to say, then post things like “I feel sorry for you”. I feel sorry for you, this is a message board where we share opinions. Sorry not everyone on here thinks Grandal is a messiah at catcher.

I can’t see it. I’m probably one of the more optimistic posters here when it comes to Cespedes, but no way he’s shown enough to pass on a long-term solution to RF. IMO, the hope is for him eventually replacing Engel as a 4th OF and if he develops into something more than that then great. But after wasting two playoff seasons with Mazara & Eaton as our starting RFs, no way Hahn goes scrap heat there again. Plus it’s painfully obvious we need better balance in the lineup and RF is one of only two options we have to solve that problem.

My guess is they plan on Cespedes being the RF of the future and they will acquire an RF stand-in for RF until he is ready.

Don’t forget Caulfield’s gold standard the Padres who didn’t even make the playoffs!

So if you have ten years of position player moves in FA and Yasmani Grandal sticks out as the best, that’s not exactly saying much. Any GM in baseball could have had him for those same terms…but weren’t to do so. The Brewers, for example. got a lot more out of Grandal for just a one year commitment, then Narvaez, Pina, etc., for a fraction of the price. Wouldn’t it be better if we could have developed the full potential of our own players like Semien or Narvaez (or even Collins), rather than trading them off early when they struggle in one area or another? Then we have no option but to try to fix that hole through FA. Even Avi Garcia, we arguably would have been better off retaining him than misallocating for that position since he left the Sox and moved on.

I think it was Keats. “Proper Nouns To Infinity” by Keats

Sure, and that's why we are always #2/3/4 for an A-Rod, a Japanese TOR starter, Harper, Machado, Wheeler, etc. It wouldn't be possible to avoid if we were in the West or East in either league. We have a MASSIVE advantage of being in the Central, where you can still win division titles with a mid-tier payroll because 80% of the teams are well below the White Sox in revenues/resources. Unfortunately, we're not as good as the Milwaukee, Minnesota, St. Louis or Cleveland front offices over the last twenty years...and we don't have anything approaching the Cubs' ability to spend near $200 million every year, either.

Maybe I’m just used to watching our guys lunge at breaking balls in obvious breaking ball situations, but the ‘Stros do seem to have an remarkable ability to lay off perfect breaking pitches and crush every fastball.

Good idea. The Twins responded quite positively to such threats....they got a chip on their shoulders. Anything is better than complacency in the AL Central. Maybe it will take the Tigers going out and spending on C, SS and their starting rotation to set the tone and force a response from the Sox, instead of KW's usual bromide about the Tigers "just put themselves in a position to come closer to competing with the White Sox" bravado.

Unlike other teams, the Astros players say they work hard for their success. We will never try that.

Honestly sox should just contract themselves.

The one that says they’ve sustained their competitive window alive longer than any team the last decade not named the Dodgers… They have been in the thick of it for seven seasons now…if it wasn’t for this play, the Royals wouldn’t have been in the 2015 World Series. The Dodgers are at nine, but this just MIGHT be their last year and they’re doing it with a $250+ million payroll.

Can I cut and paste this quote for later in the offseason when they still haven’t offloaded him or signed any player to more than a $12.5 million/year contract due to “payroll concerns/flexibility” or hints they will make their needed changes in-season or at the All-Star Break? Hahn really had a good situation with Hernandez at $6 million before that became untenable. Because we have never succeeded under Hahn in FA in the position player market (unless you count international/Cuban free agents only)…so why would or should we suddenly expect that to change or improve?

Stone needs to lay off Eloy.

While teams like the Dodgers are putting converted shortstops all over the field the Sox will put converted first baseman. That's not going to close the gap. This team needs to get more athletic not less.

Sheets is worse than Schwarber in the OF and he is not the hitter Schwarber is. Not even close.

In addition bWAR for some reason 2017 4.1 bWAR in 109 games 2018 3.4 bWAR in 153 games 2019 3.9 bWAR in 151 games 2020 2.1 bWAR in 54 games fWAR 2017 4.4 fWAR in 109 games 2018 2.9 fWAR in 153 games 2019 3.9 fWAR in 151 games 2020 2.1 fWAR in 54 games So...he "barely touched it" in his 2017 season where he hit 4 war in 2/3rds of a season, but when he was at 3.9 in 2019, that's not 4...that's 2 "and change" I guess. And in 2020, where he had 2.1 WAR in ONE THIRD OF A SEASON that is somehow held against him as a 2 WAR season.

He is the same Karen who gets triggered and whines across pages of threads about the gross offense of reading "OK Boomer". Another troll called "Boomer" the equivalent of "The N-Word". These cowards who do the "chop" are upset they can't call Blacks what they did without getting their ass kicked and jobs taken away, so they settle for disparaging Native Americans. it's pathetic, embarrassing to baseball fans, and needs to end yesterday.

Why do the Braves need to bring racism into baseball? Some of us would like to just enjoy the games.

What the Astros took advantage of were walks and HBP.