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They really should open up a spot for Lenyn at the trade deadline. Need to find out what they have with him. No time like the miserable present.

Has Soxfest been cancelled yet? These friggin cowards don't want to face the music. Get some balls and answer questions from the fans who you bamboozled with your championship window debacle.

They aren't even the dumbest team in this game

If Vaughn is healthy, we'd already lost.

Great loss, fire everyone

I want a walkoff pitch clock violation

This team and management is PATHETIC. Yet another wasted season. Gave up on this team in May.

fine

Dropped this afternoon at the Sun-Times. He calls it like it should be: https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2023/7/23/23804872/in-jerry-reinsdorfs-bizarre-world-its-wonderful-life-where-no-one-gets-fired-white-sox-rick-hahn

I'm told Kenny is taking a very active role in these trade discussions. Hahn's been neutered. He's gone.

I get it's pretty much impossibe to manage a Rick Hahn built team but that guy does himself no favors when he opens his mouth.

I'm drawing the line at 15 games out, for Jason to stop giving us meaningless AL Central scores .

They’ll absolutely be just as bad, if not worse

Come on tanner. Do your Tanner thing so we can move on

Seems like a wonderful person

Hoping for a dominant outing from Lucas with the bullpen blowing it late. Just lose baby!

This team will not change until the entire regime is gone. Hahn, Kenny, Getz...and most important of all, the head of the beast, Jerry. Until then, nothing will change and we'll see this happen year after year after year. Such a sad state of affairs. Go Bears?

This organization just makes me want to cry. It is so inept and there is no light at the end of the tunnel until Jerry dies which is just sad to say.

“Accountability around here is not a problem.”- Kenny Williams 4/25/23

It’s funny, the consensus has shifted from all the bad decisions we’re KW and JR overruling Hahn to now they all are Hahn, and hopefully KW gets more involved. I will say KW was better than Rick, but that’s not saying much. The house needs to be cleaned out.

Rick has never considered character, desire, and work ethic in his evaluation.

I wonder if they will look for someone from a winning organization and some championship experience.

Can’t see anyway Grifol gets a 2nd season, Hahn and Williams are going to need yet another scapegoat! Grifol makes Bevington look like a HOF manager.

An off day seems like a fantastic day to start demolition

41-60, I missed the whole series out of town, but if they don't start wholesale trading this entire roster away, I don't know what to say.

Should have been obvious a month ago when players were begging to be traded

the sad thing is they're going to be even worse next year and probably unable to get a top 10 pick.

we exist

That asshole will keep his job thru the deadline for sure

It really doesn't matter. This team finds unexplainable new ways to lose, however

You have to wonder how much different things might have been if Hanser Alberto hadn't attempted to kill Tim earlier this year

Absolutely fantastic at bat by Timmy. He's so back.

Same as yesterday, but Grifol was too busy making asinine comments in the press to remember

Jason, we probably don't need constant Cleveland updates

Well done Gio. Now do your job bullpen. Blow it good.

I'm going to miss watching Lucas pitch every 5 days. Such an easy guy to root for.

Just keep playing Zach...he gives you a much better at bat than most of these guys.

Is Lucas like "Screw the White Sox, I'll pitch just well enough to still get traded but not so well that they get anything very good back in return."

Apparently Giolito lost his fastball in the divorce

His ego won't allow him to admit he has screwed things up.

Isn't it amazing that all these ideas we come up with on SoxTalk make so much sense, and yet the owner who said he couldn't believe how dumb many of the owners are in the owner meetings, is completely ignorant and insanely stubborn to realize drastic change needs to occur and he doesn't see it or want it!

Holes in the rotation, little depth, significant decrease in team payroll, injuries continuing. We already know next season is going to be brutally bad regardless if Eloy is with the club or not. Him playing 75 or so games again in 2024 will not make one iota of difference.

Incompetence at it's finest. Literally the definition of insanity. They're just throwing mud at the wall and hoping it sticks.

Sox would have been better if Pollock stayed one more year. The Sox would have avoided five years of Benintendi.

Man, do the White Sox stink. Another L. It's going to be a long long time before the Sox field even a .500 team again. Who would have thought Sox would dip this low? This is not working out well cause Hahn is the one to make all the upcoming trades yet he is the main problem with the demise of the team. This is insane. I think we can all agree .500 will not be attainable for a long long time.

Overall pitching has regressed under Katz. They should try someone else next season.

Dumbest organization in sports

While anything is possible with Reinsdorf, for the first time in years I feel like there may be hope for change. Back in 2016 when we were so-called “mired in mediocrity”, we finished with a 78-84 (.481) record and a -29 run differential. We were basically the 19th best team behind the 16th largest payroll. This season ultimately led to the rebuild, which is something no one felt Jerry would ever agree to. Now, as of today, we are sitting on a 41-59 (.410) record and a -75 run differential. We are effectively the 26th/25th best team in baseball behind the 12th largest payroll in baseball. And while 12th may not seem that big, our $185M payroll is only $17M from the 8th largest (in 2016 we were $45M from the 8th largest). Point is Jerry is spending a ton of money and is getting garbage results. Not only that, but it’s having an impact on attendance (worse when almost all teams are up YoY) and ultimately his bottom line. If the mediocre season that was 2016 was able to lead to structural change, then I’d have to imagine the most disastrous season during Jerry’s tenure will lead to something even more drastic. The one thing we know Jerry cares about is never being in the red and Rick has almost single-handily delivered that this year. We are also seeing fan engagement at an all-time low, which poses a threat to future season attendance and TV ratings. Jerry may be super loyal, but sticking with Hahn is literally punting money and we saw there was finally a breaking point with the Bulls when a subpar product threatened Jerry’s golden goose. I just don’t see any way Jerry can ignore all the facts at this point and retain Rick Hahn as GM. Change has to be coming.

The only reason I think he might is that any sane owner would have punted him into the sun by now

Top Ten White Sox Position Players 2013-2023 (fWAR) 27.4 Jose Abreu 18.5 Tim Anderson 14.3 Adam Eaton 13.9 Yoan Moncada 10.7 Luis Robert Junior 6.2 Alexei Ramirez 5.7 Avisail Garcia 5.5 Eloy Jimenez 5.4 Tyler Flowers 5.2 Adam Engel Top Ten White Sox Pitchers 2013-2023 (fWAR) 20.7 Chris Sale 19.5 Carlos Quintana 14.8 Lucas Giolito 11.9 Carlos Rodon 11.4 Dylan Cease 7.7 Reynaldo Lopez 6.6 Lance Lynn 4.4 Aaron Bummer 4.2 Liam Hendriks 4.1 Miguel Gonzalez