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Develop the South Side. 35th & Shields is a perfect location for a stadium - Red Line/Green Line/Metra Station/Dan Ryan Expy This is what they should do. https://afterburnham.com/armour-field/

There’s nobody on the roster that should be untouchable. Nobody. Easy decision to pay him a million to go away.

If you have a future in other sports, it's stupid to play football.

They do, but Robert doesn’t know his name.

Miles and Miles.....

What If.......Eddie DeBartolo should have been the owner in 1980, but the American league voted against him and the rest is JR history.

Not many and they’ll move the second they’re old enough. There’s a lot of bias in this thread suggesting Arlington heights or orland park is accessible to the majority of potential fans. It’s very clearly not true. I’m not sure that I’m willing to prove it, but it’s almost certainly true that soldier field is more accessible than the horse racetrack. The difference between football and baseball though is that people will make the trek there to watch a game once a week and spend hundreds of dollars on the affair. There are 10 times as many baseball games and they’re considerably cheaper to attend. Anywhere in Chicago is 10000 times more accessible to people than any of the suburbs. the financial component of it is that there’s more money in cities than suburbs now. at least for an economy based on pointless consumption (baseball is purposeful). The inversion started happening a while ago.

Surprised Victor Reyes never made it up.

I don't think you turn down a receiver prospect people are this high on for team needs. Or at least you shouldn't.

In a disastrous season where he was the only bright spot, he earned the right to go for some personal milestones. Obviously sucks that he got hurt, but hindsight aside, you gotta let the kid play out the season.

Even with what we've seen the first three weeks, it doesn't make any sense this season to bench him. I just don't know what it accomplishes.

It’s really good, though Mike Veeck bald with glasses looks like a tall Danny DeVito.

They will. In 2035.

Yes, I disagree; they were never particularly young, and as soon as they got good the farm sucked again.

One thing I've noticed about the White Sox. When Kory Lee goes 0 for 4, his batting average does not go down much, I hope he figures it out this off season.

Outstanding!!!

That one is new to me. Good tune. I thought of The Pride of Alton, Illinois when I saw your bold reference.

If they had enough players to legitimately compete, than perhaps it would make sense to spend the money elsewhere. If they don't pick up the option, Jerry is just going to pocket the money, so I'd like to see if they can flip Tim and Yoan at the deadline, after four months of playing for their next FA contract. An offseason trade would work as well. He's not blocking a legitimate starter the first four months of the season. Perhaps Bummer does something as well to flip in July. Hell they got value for Lance "I Like Steak" Lynn, even with his MLB worst 2.18 HRs / 9 innings for starters (minimum 100 innings). Elvis, Grandal and the other non controllable FAs should not return, there is zero legitimate trade value with these guys.

SSHM, how do you find time for your music? I once thought I was pretty advanced, but you and Wegner are miles ahead of me. Miles.

Sell the team chant coming in loud and clear on the radio broadcast, in between Len and DJ talking about the Cubs game and NL Wildcard nonsense including this play.

mid or medium=MD? or misdiagnosed, lol

Carroll was a lot more fundamentally solid. Similarly dynamic athletic skills and five tool guys (although it's closer to 4 1/2 with Robert's arm far from accurate and simply the decision-making process of choosing which base to throw to)... Btw, jury is still out on Alek Thomas (who everyone assumed was White Sox bound due to his father working for the team at that time). It's more than Carroll, though. For instance, the scouting on Zac Gallen prior to the trade with the Marlins. Or the development of Ketel Marte into one of the most complete all-around players nobody has heard of outside the West Coast. Of course, the DBacks are a much much younger team than the 2021-2023 White Sox as well.

Lane was a master at trading... getting guys like Pierce, Fox, Donovan, Minoso, Rivera, Lollar and Carrasquel.

Did I see that $1 ticket came with parking?

The Sox are pounding the pathetic Diamondbacks. This thread will be awfully quiet. Hope @tray enjoyed Eloy's three run blast. I have my $1 ticket for Thursday, sort of feel guilty paying Jerry that much. Won't buy anything in the stadium, if I have time Red Hot Ranch / 35th Street Red Hots pre game. Also want to hit the Guinness opening at 11 AM, so it's a tight day.

I'm guessing you don't live in Chicago. If they move to Orland/Tinley, they'll draw less than the A's. They'll be cutting off all their non-Southwest suburban fans, since you can only get down there basically by expressway (I-57/I-80). Imagine trying to make it down there for a weekday night game -- it would be a major chore. They'd be better off moving out of town completely than moving down to the Southwest suburbs.

Under the situation where the pitcher is facing 2000 km/hr winds and temperatures of -364 Fahrenheit,, you probably want to take some pitches as it's going to be tough to throw balls in the strike zone. This is a bad idea for a team that is as aggressive and free swinging as the White Sox.

How about Neptune?

I'm on team Stay in Chicago, but...there are also kids in Tinley...? Maybe I'm missing your point.

The suburb discussion drawing in “more old school fans” is a dead end. The team needs young fans. Stay in Chicago, think about a fan base 20 years from now. Kids like baseball more then you think. Those tinley fans will be dead.

At that point he probably knew he had a future in basketball or baseball. An injury in football puts all three at risk. And you start racking up brain injuries right away. My brother only played four years of HS ball and his brain is likely swiss cheese due to five concussions (that we know about). If the other sports are there, secure the bag that keeps your body intact.

This injury wont be serious but still will cause him to miss the beginning of spring training , impact the start of 2024 season and not be right until after the ASB if at all until 2025.

There is no way that credit is to be given to Bill Veeck for the 1959 AL Champion White Sox, that team was built by Frank Lane and Chuck Comiskey, Veeck inherited that team when Dorothy sold her share of the Sox to Veeck in February of 1959, right before Spring Training.

The story of Mike Veeck and his family makes it worth watching, even if not a fan of Bill. Bill's story and the story of Disco Demolition are mere background to Mike's remarkable and somewhat tragic story, and the way he recovered his life and used his life lessons to help others recover their lives transcends the Sox related stuff.

If we can somehow land Williams, then give him everything in your power to ensure he’s successful. I’m talking about an offensive minded head coach, more weapons (MHJ at 1.2 or 1.3), and better pass protection. We should have a lot of cap space this off-season and can target both OL & DL. Go after actual impact players in free agency and then add depth in rounds 2 through 5 of the draft.

I wouldn't say that's all he wanted. With that stated, it's hard to evaluate the secondary with such a horrid front 7. When they had a good front 7, that secondary looked legit. I do think Poles/Flus missed on Tremaine Edmunds. He's a nice player, but not a difference maker and they overpaid for him. Yannick is a mercenary for hire, but he needs help. They still have more holes to fill than not on defense. There's no way you could take Carter. They don't have the team for him. Fields is a leader, and he's completely lost. They asked Flus and Williams who were leaders of the defense and they answered Tremaine Edmunds, a FA pickup. He hasn't been in that locker room long enough. I understand the talent, but Carter had motor questions and definite questions about his personality. Pickens, maybe. But gain, the Bears have a good Oline who are looking bad due to their QB holding onto the ball far too long. OLine is not a problem, like at all, in my estimation. Bears rank 8th in terms of time given to the QB in the league. That means they are in the upper 25% of the league. The QB sucking makes the unit look worse, and they're not even at 100% yet. Agreed. You must take both.

September 26, 1905 - In a double header at Boston, Sox pitcher “Big” Ed Walsh relieved starter Guy “Doc” White in the first inning of the first game and got the win 10-5. He then started and won the nightcap game 3-1. White didn’t retire a batter so Walsh got credit for a pair of complete games. September 26, 1943 - The Sox set the franchise record for the most runs ever scored in the fourth inning of a game when they put 13 on the board against the Senators at Washington. They’d win the game 15-3. Future Sox star pitcher Early Wynn was the victim of the Sox uprising. Also, of note in the 13-run inning, was the Sox triple-steal on one play, as Thurman Tucker, Guy Curtright and Luke Appling all swiped bases, with Tucker stealing home. The 13 runs are also the most the Sox have ever scored in any single inning. September 26, 1984 - Despite a disastrous season on the field, the Sox drew 2,136,988 fans to Comiskey Park becoming the first Chicago franchise to draw two million or more fans in consecutive seasons. September 26, 1998 - Sox outfielder Brian Simmons became the third player in franchise history to hit home runs from both sides of the plate in the same game. Simmons connected off the Royals Brian Barber in the fourth inning and Allen McDill in the seventh. He drove in five runs in the Sox 13-5 win going 3 for 5 along with two runs scored. In January 2001 he’d be traded to Toronto as part of the David Wells deal that became known as “Shouldergate” September 26, 2011 – He was considered the face of the franchise for eight seasons but on this night after a 4-3 win over Toronto, manager Ozzie Guillen announced he was leaving after owner Jerry Reinsdorf agreed to let him out of the final year of his contract. Guillen, who was the 1985 A.L. Rookie of the Year with the White Sox, won the World Series in 2005 and also got the club into the playoffs in 2008. He had five winning seasons in the eight years as manager and was named Manager of the Year for his work in 2005. In that magical season of 2005, “Ozzie Ball” resulted in the Sox getting off to the best start in their history and with a perfect blend of pitching, speed, power and the ability to execute the fundamentals the Sox were in first place from wire to wire. Then they blitzed through the post season putting together an 11-1 record that was the third best post season record in baseball history. Guillen’s passion and enthusiasm for the franchise was unparalleled but at times he was his own worst enemy. Over his final years in Chicago, he became increasingly thin-skinned and defensive when criticism was directed his way and he lashed out at Sox fans on more than one occasion. Among his famous rants against the fans were one where he said that they could ‘‘Turn off their TVs and stop watching the game if they don’t like the [bleep]ing lineup’’ and another in May 2011 where he claimed Sox fans would not remember him, “As soon as you leave the ballpark, they don’t care about you. They don’t. The monuments, the statues…they pee on them when they get drunk.” On the afternoon of the day he left the team Guillen told reporters that he would not want to return to fulfill his 2012 contract unless he got an extension and more money. Ozzie’s relationship with G.M. Kenny Williams also deteriorated over the final few years because the two men appeared to have different viewpoints over how the roster should be constructed and the style to which the Sox should play. The Jim Thome/DH controversy was an example of the different ideas. Guillen’s family didn’t help the situation with social media comments derogatory to Williams. Many felt when Ozzie was hired in November 2003 that he was the right man for the right team at the right time and for a few years he was. Unfortunately, the manager with the longest tenure since Al Lopez let some personal foibles override a good situation and it was best for all that a parting of the ways took place. September 26, 2020 – In a most bizarre season, a most bizarre stat. The White Sox beat the Cubs Jon Lester winning an important pennant race game 9-5 at Guaranteed Rate Field but it also wrote the team’s name into the record books. For the first time in the modern era a club went an entire ‘season’ without losing a game to a left-handed starter. The Sox went 14-0 against lefties. Yes, the season was only 60 games long due to COVID-19 but the record stands and was entered as such into the history books.

I agree. The Bears have lost 13 in a row and given up 25 points or more in each loss. No other team in league history did it 12 times in a row. The Flus is supposed to be a defensive genius. I know they stripped the team down last year, but I was told their back 7 were now as good as anyone's. They drafted a lineman in the 2nd round. They paid 10 million for a pass rusher. I get not expecting the defense to be totally staout, but it's horrible. This shouldn't be happening.

Disco Demolition Night. It was the most widely attended and remembered baseball promotion in the history of the game. The second game should have either been played or rescheduled, and the pearl clutching back in the day was laughable. "There was reefer", now the State of Illinois and many others pawn it and gambling among other vices. Wasn't happy with Sparky Anderson that day, but still like him overall between his success in the game and telling the owners to GFY and refusing to manage scabs in 1995, which got him blackballed by the scumbag trash pizza peddler Mike Ilitch, Jerry Reinsdorf and rest of the owners who went with loyal to ownership garbage managers like Terry Bevington and Buddy Bell during this era. Any random inning of Terry Bevington was far more embarrassing than Disco Demolition, and Buddy Bell somehow managed a worse career winning percentage than GMs Rick Hahn and Hawk Harrelson.

Don't forget hundreds if not over a thousand of game day staff (concessions, ushers, security, etc.) who rely on public transportation to work games. It's one thing trying to staff 10 NFL games, another to staff 81 MLB games.

I don't begrudge teams from building in the Suburbs, including the AHL Rosemont Wolves or other minor league teams. I've been to Kane County Stadium (for the Illinois High School Baseball Championship - Sadly Saint Patrick HS lost) and enjoyed it. That said, any Chicago team that moves to the suburbs are dead to me. The Staleys or whatever they call themselves these days are from Decatur, then Wrigley Field and are garbage, so don't give a s%*# if they move to Arlington Heights, Decatur, Gary or Mogadishu beyond hoping Congress passes a law allowing Chicago to sue their asses if they try to appropriate our city's name. You want to move, fine, just own it you cowardly FBI raid denying, fake ass Monster of the Midway losers. The Chicago White Sox are another matter. Unlike the Bears, Cubs or Bulls, I deeply care about the Chicago White Sox. They have been my favorite baseball team since I began following the sport in 1975. If they move to Addison, Naperville, or even Evergreen Park, they are dead to me unless they return. I will not become a Cubs fan, I will just give up MLB unless they rightfully restore a team to Montreal.

ISFA (located at GRF) will almost certainly make a deal with the Sox for a new lease at 35th and Shields before the current lease expires, especially if the Sox want to rehab or rebuild there. Meanwhile there is nothing structurally wrong with GRF ...a facility than can last for decades if properly maintained. Infrastructure (streets , sewers gas/ electric), parking facilities, access to public transportation, expressway access...it is already there. The ONLY option that might attract the Sox and the City of Chicago is Soldier Field...a very remote possibility and that only....IF the Bears move out and a deal can be worked out, including TIF financing and a share of gaming, hotel taxes, and other revenues. Frankly, I don't see the Sox moving anywhere for decades and any thoughts about that will be put to bed when they get a new lease in place.

Dylan Cease is the obvious one missing here. I'm not considering guys like Burger, Colas or Sosa. Burger was a high draft pick who is performing to expectations finally. Yaz was "better" last year but 200 slugging points worse than 2021. He's aging, so he doesn't count either (he does count but we're ignoring him for the sake of argument). Let's look at the regulars. Yaz: worse Elvis: worse Vaughn: bad and not developing how he's expected to...can't blame the Sox except for drafting him.. Tim: worse Moncada: worse Benintendi: worse Robert: better, young 5-tool superstar who will improve irrespective of his environment; particularly relevant to this argument because he's a loner and doesn't feed off the energy of his teammates. most normal human beings do. Eloy: worse Sheets: worse Hanser: bad and got worse Frazier: bad and got worse Haseley: bad and got worse popeye: good one day perhaps did anyone else get at bats this season and is still on the team? looks like every single player except the finally healthy unicorn took a step back. let's look at the pitching staff. cease: worse kopech: worse giolito: better than last year, anyway (not according to FIP). consistent. lynn: ? clev: fine pitcher, but a predator bummer: worse i'm gonna stop there because this is boring and the trend is obvious. the only players who didn't take steps backward are no name rookie Gregory Santos and Luis Robert. I really don't believe that every once-good Sox player just turned bad all of a sudden at the same time, I think they just hate coming into work and that has a noticeable impact on their job performance which is predicated on making good decisions at the level of a millisecond. And the team staff can't be expected to help them perform at the level that they're capable of. That's ostensibly why they even have coaches. Any "mental hurdle" is going to be a drain on a player's performance. I believe this was obvious even before the La Russa stuff and especially before Middleton said anything. Players play better when they actually like their jobs, nobody on this team likes coming to work. That's a matter of organizational efficacy not 'we need better players'

I would feel better if this headline said “The Raysation of the White Sox” or “The Astrosation of the White Sox”. Heck, even the “Twinsation” or “Cubsation” would be better than “Royalsation”. Its not 1980 anymore.

Cardinals have built a foundation of sustained success for decades. I'm sure this is just a blip on their radar and they'll be back on top of the NLC in no time. Rockies and Royals don't really have a hope for competitiveness in the near future either. You can at least make a case for NYM and SD.