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Colson should play better then. He hasn't remotely earned a big league roster spot and putting him in the bigs out of ST would be organizational malpractice.

Joint inflammation or muscle recovery sorenesss would be my guess. There had to have been something that was causing the stress to have the bone spurs form. It could be in the way he extends the elbow and that is still causing an irritation or they are adjusting something in the motion to decrease that stress and soreness is popping up

These Madrigal comps are fucking lazy. Nick’s one full minor league season was built around an insane 3.0% K rate and a good not great 8.3% BB rate. Chase’s BB rate was an insane 18.8% last year with a good not great K rate of 12.7%. I get neither hits for a ton of power, but Meidroth isn’t a tiny little b**** who is looking to slap the ball every single at-bat like Madrigal. Only at Soxtalk are we so butt hurt over selecting a no power 2B prospect with the 4th overall pick that any prospect who doesn’t hit for a ton of power is suddenly somehow a Madrigal clone.

Sure. Who cares about the player their lives or opinions.

The Sox would love nothing more than to feel like Colson is ready to give the job to. They are looking for any thread of success to point at to give even a sliver of hope to people. They are doing everything they can to get these guys up here.

Trade is shaping up to be a total disaster

Yup, logic dictates being a below average hitter in a bandbox at AAA will translate to being a good one in the majors. Holy s%*# people have lost their minds here.

While this was a foregone conclusion, I still don't get it. Oscar likely just sucks, but there is not a good reason to not give him 500 at bats this season. If if if if it clicked, he's kind of what we've been looking for for decades. Chances of that happening are remote, but chances that any of Tauchman, Slater or Taylor being part of the future is ZERO, and the chances they return anything remotely interesting are way less than Colas turning into a valuable player. Just play the dude and see what happens.

Not covered in the Times of India so didn't happen...hoax.

I don’t care about these type of signings as much as you do. They don’t matter. What I think is if Getz would have signed Verdugo you would have lost your mind and been super mad about it, though.

The amount of eye rolls I had reading some peoples medical opinions on here that know absolutely zero...goodness gracious.

Slater and Tauchman and Taylor are all 30 ish, lack power. And even when they were good, they were the useful sort, but weren't that good. Benintendi is in that class too (although he has had some good seasons). They haven't exactly "earned it" themselves this spring. It's just overkill. It's not crowding out serious prospects, but there still is a chance with Fletcher or Colas. Heck, NRI Calvin Mitchell is more interesting than some of those guys. Plus, we have some young infielders who could play some outfield....versatility is becoming a thing.

The fact that you don't inderstand the legal process of the medical field tells everything about your views on the medical decision process and the players Makes no difference what you think the process should be. It's the law. For everyone. An employer can't tell an employee where or how to get medical intervention. It's always their choice. Some have agreement with medical institutions so it may be cheaper. But they can't tell them what to do.

Alex Verdugo sucks. Literally no one else wanted him.

Yes, his karma causes injuries as well. How could I forget.

You be wrong. It's always the players call. They can take the advice of the team's medcial staff. Get a second opinion and take their advice. Or simply do what they want. No one can force the decision upon them.

Surgery Is the players call. A lot to blame the Sox for, and thorpe stinks anyway, but this isnt one of them.

This trade looked good at the start?

Injuries are going to happen. Before the White Sox are good again, there's a decent chance bigger names wind up under the knife. Hopefully they recover and become good MLB pitchers.

Maybe Thorpe can go Henry Rowengartner style? Have surgery, his tendons heal too tightly, and suddenly he’s throwing 100, rather than 92?

Well s%*#. Only the Sox could target a soft tossing lefty with a "high floor" and have him completely wash out.

We’ll see. I know I ain’t trusting this clown…

no shock but Smith made the team

That would be odd. The previous surgery was for bone spurs. This has no correlation to joint laxity or UCL issues. Unless there was something else not reported. Not like the guy from Houston who hhad a UCL reconstruction and continues to have issues there.

That in itself is an absolute, so you are basically saying you are a sith. I don't believe you though

You don't know the power of the dark side. Let the anger flow. Appropriate.

I can tape a picture of Kathy Ireland to my wife’s face, wait around six months, and hope she becomes Kathy Ireland or I can acknowledge right now that the idea lacks all logic and reason. And saying Slater is “bad” now because of one bad season after five great ones is just garbage posting. He may be bad, but he wouldn’t be the first guy in his 30’s to have a bad year and then rebound. He was better when he joined the Orioles last year and guess who we just hired to be the Director of Hitting for our organization. You may not ultimately feel the value equation warrants giving him playing time, but saying he is unequivocally bad is simpltabsurd. Only a Sith speaks in such absolutes…

So we have to keep Benintendi, Robert, Tauchman, Taylor AND Slater on the roster to teach the subsequently nonexistent young outfielders how to win, meanwhile dfa-ing young players the Sox have under control for 5+ years when someone like Teel or Montgomery gets called up. Makes no sense for a team hoping to win 50 games

That's all that really needs to be said, here. None of Colas, Fletcher or Deloach have shown anything while in the Sox org to indicate they'd be anything other than a disaster in full-time play, or even as a platoon. This is absolutely a scouting and player development issue they need to solve, but for now the Sox just need players who can approximate competency in right field.

That doesn't even make sense. If one guy hypotheticaly puts up a slightly above average OPS, then the rebuild is dead in the water? Do you actually consider that a rational statement

You think he's too stupid to see why a guy who put up OBPs around .440 at upper levels would get a crack at it before him?

Dude, you don't get to disallow all arguments for why a player deserves a spot on the roster. Slater has proven over 8 seasons that he's a reliable baseball player, who has put up average to much better than average offensive production in most of those seasons, while providing cromulent defense at all 3 OF positions. We know what we have in Oscar Colas. Colas has proven to be a bonehead in the field. Two glaring misplays happened in spring training, once in LF when he got hit in the face with a fly ball, and once in RF, charging a single with the thought of throwing out a guy halfway home already, and he let the ball get passed him to advance all runners. Colas has not distinguished himself with the bat, while playing in a bandbox of a ballpark. He also seems to be a clubhouse problem, or at least have attitudinal problems that likely make him uncoachable. I'd imagine that for 4 years, his coaches have been telling him that on a single to RF, make sure to pick up the ball, and understand you're not going to throw out a guy halfway home, already. We also pretty much know what we have in Fletcher, DeLoach, Julks and Cal Mitchell. I mean, you screamed for a solid year about what bums the first three were, how those trades were complete disasters, oh, and they're all old. So what is it you didn't see in 2024 you think you're going to see this year? And playing a 31-year-old veteran in baseball games isn't "wasting at bats". The games have to be played, and who better to play them than capable baseball players? Everybody here is screaming about "watchable" baseball. Why do you want to see players you've already dismissed as subhuman trash kick the ball around the outfield and pop out in the rare moments they get runners on base? I mean, if losses don't matter, I look forward to never hearing about this 41-121 2024 record again.

Colas hasn't even shown extended ability to hit at the minors, let alone his mlb opportunities

Eh I don’t mind this part. I find it refreshing when players are actually honest and not robots. The part that gets me is, dude, you were OPS’ing .501 this spring on a stacked offensive team. Either force the issue or read the room a little better.

I think just using age and less failures so far Mayo is projected to have the better future. Looking at who's likely to be more productive in MLB in 2025 it's probably Vargas just because he's likely to play more in MLB this year. He just as easily can end up DFA'd though if he doesn't produce. Same goes for Sosa. Mayo has a couple of years before he reaches Vargas level of MLB incompetence and runs out of options but he can end up in that same boat and he isn't doing himself any favors by whining about life not being fair.

Which one has a faster mile time?

Biggest headline of another off season is related to concession items. That's when you know your team is really in dire straights at the turnstiles.

I swear this exact same back and forth happened last season in the same “new food” thread 😂

There's something unique about Chase. He had an absurd 30% swing rate (lowest in bigs is Soto at 37%) and a microscopic 3.2% swinging strike rate. The dude doesn't swing the bat and when he does he pretty much always makes contact. The only reason he strikes out is because of the absurd amount of pitches he takes. His EV and hard hit rates were pretty comparable to Benintendi's. He'll probably be fine.

You know Schiffren's just chomping at the bit to work it into one of his sign-offs at the end of a (rare) White Sox victory.

A new shake was totally going to be my bold prediction.

Over 1100 PA in the minors .425 OBP. Over 550 PA in AAA last year, about 4.4 years younger than average there, .437 OBP. Might want to give the kid a few minutes to acclimate to MLB. .337 would be a decent OBP on the Sox. Today he only got on base 2 of 3 times.Single and a walk RBI. Picked a strange game to say you can't see what he does. Solid if unspectacular fielder. Solid body says 5'10" 190. Wouldn't be surprised if he's shorter than that though. Can play 2nd ,SS and 3rd .Pretty useful guy. Wasn't Hank Aaron about the same size ?

Shane Smith 4 innings 0 runs,3 hits, 1walk, 2K. ERA down to 3.38 after that disastrous 1st outing. He's got to be in the rotation.

When you're basing his entire value only on what you've seen from him in the past, you're not really entertaining the idea that he can improve. But whatever, maybe it's just semantics. Not really a hill I care to die on either way.

Uh... Sure sounds like your mind is made up.

Was not expecting Beni back that quickly. This is good news. He matches that 2nd half of 2024 in the first half of 2025, and Sox might actually be able to dump the rest of that contract.

Do the Sox even do this? When you look at our recent history of first rounders, I think we'd all be in agreement that guys like Crochet, Madrigal, Vaughn and even Carson Fulmer were clearly rushed to the bigs. And with the current crop of prospects, Getz seems to be giving long thought of breaking camp with a top prospect in order to get the extra draft pick if they rank in the ROY voting. I seriously think Carlos Rodon was the last real prospect where this was even an issue. While the Cubs were openly jerking Kris Bryant around, the Sox were trying not to rush Rodon. Boras, who represented both, screamed about Bryant's treatment, while saying publicly they had no problem with the White Sox' plan for Rodon.

I am conflicted as I try to evaluate Colson Montgomery. On one hand, we know he handled SS defensively in ST and had one hit, a HR. Maybe he was slowed up because of his back . On the other, maybe he is what we thought he was, an oversized SS who did not prove to management that he can stick at that position. Compare how Teel's ST went albeit at a different position. He impressed management that he can handle his position at a major league level and that he has a good eye with some LH hitting power. Should be easy decisions in both cases. MLB is a game but beyond that it is a tough business that is not always fair to players. You have to bring it on the field when you have a shot. Think Eminem - Lose Yourself.