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Why don’t you tell us why there was no alternative? Or why you believe so strongly in everything he has done in house, that is not visible or even quantifiable? Or why we should accept him as “better than no alternative” and why it’s acceptable to be likely losing 100 for 3 straight seasons and very little signs of turning this thing upward? While I definitely agree that he didn’t have a good hand coming in here, I don’t see anything by way of upward movement, and it’s really hard for me to sit here and agree with the idea “well there was nothing better that could have been done” because you have accepted that Jerry did the cheapest bullshit fix he could think of

There are multiple things that can be true at the same time - When Getz was given the job, it became clear this was going to be a full tear down. They did the same thing in 2016 offseason, where they went from 78 wins to 67. Then they fell to 62 wins in 2018. While winning 41 games and setting records in 2024 should have never happened and was embarrassing, I agree with the idea the difference between winning 55 games or 65 games doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, it's still shitty baseball. - It's hard for people to get over that it's Chris Getz running things, and I understand why, I'm one of them. The last regime was here far too long, and had very little success outside of one magical season, and Getz had a key role in this organization for a good chunk of that. He should not have been rewarded for those "efforts" with a promotion, but here we are. It's absolutely fair to have doubts, he has done NOTHING to earn anyones trust or respect. - He was tasked with a very difficult job, as the organization needed a full enema and he was working with very few assets. The 2016 rebuild was a very different situation. There were some attractive and valuable pieces on the roster, they couldn't figure out (or didn't have the right resources) to surround their stars with talent. You fast forward to 2020/2021, from the trades of 2016 they acquired Moncada, Eloy, Giolito, Cease and Kopech. Add in the Cuban Pipeline with Abreu and Robert, FINALLY drafting a hitter that has MLB success in Anderson, and you created a core. It obviously didn't work, but the formula still makes sense today. Getz had Crochet/Fedde/Robert to work with. The Crochet deal seems "good" right now, time will tell. The Fedde deal was awful, it was awful then and it's still awful now. And he seemingly missed the timing on trading Robert, who knows what that eventually nets them. So he doesn't have the same runway that Hahn had, and some of that is on Getz. - I think it's a fair assumption to make that if Getz had it his way, he would have spent more on areas of the team for 2025, so they aren't flirting with 41 wins again in 2025. We know who the owner is, he knew they were going to be REALLY bad again, why spend another 25-30 million on the team when it takes the Sox from 48 wins to 58 wins? Why spend that? All of this is to say something most (if not all) of us already know. Nothing changes until Jerry is gone. They won't outspend teams in free agency. They won't outspend anyone in player development. They won't be cutting edge on new philosophies and strategy. They won't draft exceptionally well (when have they EVER?) So what does that leave you? An incredibly mediocre franchise, which is exactly what they have been under the ownership of Jerry Reinsdorf. It's really not any more complicated or nuanced than that.

Yeah, some people have lost their mind. What is happening is a disaster. Sox could have hired some consultants for a month to get a new org structure. A GM's key role is finding talent, and Getz is horrible at it. ITT there are people celebrating the crochet trade.. people are always forced to celebrate the unknown because once the known happens Getz is shown to suck over and over.

You do realize that when a franchise is worth $2 billion, that any owner, by definition, will be a greedy billionaire owner, right?

Again, we can TALK about results all they want, but I want to SEE results. A great place to start would be our minor leaguers showing any amount of baseball IQ, or looking like they belong when they get here.

Sosa should be playing everyday. Mainly 2B with Baldwin at SS. I have no desire see any more Amaya.

Westeddy will defend Getz till death. How bout that bullpen lol?!?

I remember Getz was hired instead of an outside candidate as he knew the organisation and so that a big rebuild wouldn't be needed! How's that going?

Wanting them to sign high priced talent and wanting Jerry to be the owner severely contradicts one another.

This goes beyond just a rebuild.

The headline says "White Sox front office still has faith in long-term plan", well at least somebody has faith, and apparently there is a plan!

you have a habit of defending individual moves, which fine, but the sum of them is awful.

He should have been last year.

Yeah, look, things were going to be bad, we all saw that far ahead, but no one planned for the worst ever. That shouldn't be where the line is.

To be fair, ownership/management told the fan base that this was to prevent a rebuild, and that because we are in the AL Central, this would be easier. But sure. It's the fans. And if they were intentionally lying to us, this is the same group that is now telling us how great everyone they hired is, and that everything will be just fine, so you can see how we don't really believe them.

For which rebuild? The first, second, or inevitable third one after this one fails?

some sox fans did not prepare themselves for the rebuild. thats all this boils down to

The regime hasn't changed. You can't expect a different circus when the clowns are the same.

Look, if someone told me they were going to pay me millions to watch shitty baseball and be a dick to whomever I wanted and also I get whatever long road trips I want off…..I’m taking the job

Jerry is one of the richest, most ruthless, and successful real estate developers in the history of Chicago, who parlayed that success into convincing other people to pay for a vast majority of the White Sox so he could operate them as his own vanity project. If a guy like Justin Ishbia has a playbook, it’s because a guy like Jerry wrote every page for him. If you demonize Ishbia, you accidentally demonize Jerry, because they are the same person, doing the same things to get and stay rich.

lol I can't imagine any reason why anyone would defend Reinsdorf and not want a new owner and then there's tray.

This isn't OOTP. At a certain point you lose generations of fans doing whatever the hell this is.

It puts a lot of stress on your pitchers when they know few runs are coming. Last year the Sox scored three runs or less an astounding 105 times. This year 6 of 9 games fall into this category.

It’s not even worth arguing with that sewing machine salesman/nepo baby nonsense. Absolute garbage

Pretty spot on but Getz also had Cease to work with which is a pretty big piece in his GM tenure and all of this.

Here's the ultimate question: Would any non-Reinsdorf owner have hired Chris Getz? Would they hire him today?

no GM candidate worth his salt wants to come here when it's already been said the team will be sold upon Jerry's death. Jerry is old. so Getz was the only way Kenny and Rick were going to be out. Jerry didnt even really want to move on from Kenny and Rick but he had enough people in his ear leaguewide to finally convince him of it.

I still want to see that all of these amazing hires actually change something. The early results haven't been any different than what we just saw, and it seems like trades have been markedly worse.

For the Gary Railcats.

No, do not fire Chris Getz. He modernized the org and took a lot of bad practices out of the White Sox. he is getting no money to work with, so it is Jerry that would be fired. Think of Getz as someone who saw all the bad things going on (Kenny flying in to watch Keenyn Walker once and taking him 3 rounds earlier than scouting wanted) and decided when he had his chance he would achieve some synergy throughout the org We have like minded people in a few spots, including in the dugout. Lets let that play out.

I also think Doyle has a reliever profile. People were freaking out over Cags 8% k rate last year. LaViolette is currently running a 22% K rate. I don't think he should be an option at 1-10.

Fletcher trade showed Getz hiring of guy from AZ was a mistake Cease trade showed that Getz could not evaluate talent and is over his head WTF was the Janikowski experience this past week Getz will show Jerry all the great things that have happened in the minors and JR will eat it up Vaughan, Nicky 2 strikes and Jacob Gonzalez.....that is all you need to know. There is no skillset to any of those three guys that shows MLB talent.

I noticed @WestEddy has been quiet lately. And he wonders why I was so pessimistic about this team in the offseason. Perhaps because this team is somehow worse than last year’s team, which is pretty hard to do even for an owner like Jerry and GM like Getz.

If they wind up with only around 30 wins then the Commissioner should step in and force JR to sell much the same way that Charlie Finley was not allowed to complete a trade where he traded away most of the Oakland A’s back in 1976 citing as it wasn’t in the best interest of Baseball. It’s obvious the Sox are again fielding a AAA team with JR refusing to spend money and put together a competitive club which upsets the competitive balance in the game, if this isn’t a detriment and not in the best interest to the game, I don’t know what is.

It's not helping matters (at all) that our biggest hope for a homegrown superstar (Colson Montgomery) looks like a lost cause at the present moment. And Luis Robert's not even getting the unforgettable Gavin Lux back in trade at the moment.

As someone who's watched every single Bond movie at least once...even On Her Majesty's Service (George Lazenby, 1969). 1) Sean Connery (if you don't just the sexist jokes based upon today's standards 2) Daniel Craig 3) Roger Moore 4) Timothy Dalton 5) Pierce Brosnan 6) George Lazenby (underrated film overall, but not exactly well-acted, pretty wooden performance)

Just very simply, why is this clown still employed? Worst record last year and now whatever this crap is. It's just ridiculous.

i dont know about nowadays but for years Jerry R was walking into the pharmacy at Clark & Division CVS to get his prescriptions. my buddy was the fill tech there. i guess said buddy had the power to singlehandedly bring the change we wanted, but alas, he's a cubs fan.

Let’s all remember there was a small one person movement a few months ago to change this team to a packers “fan owned” model. just thought that should be mentioned here no reason why

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He may be the one person in this organization who needs to retire more than Chris Getz.

The Sox are designed to lose over 100 games. So at least make it more entertaining like the Washington Generals did or maybe like Bill Veeck often tried to do. Replacing winning with laughter. Put a midget at DH and use position players to pitch after the 5th inning. Get another Andy the clown to entertain the fans. It is a joke now but at least make it a fun joke.

Great success!!! (not!)

Making a change will only matter if they do a legitimate search outside the organization and not merely prioritize cronies and sycophants that will essentially run interference for JR.

As if we needed more reasons for depression...Monday's stock market futures forecast another bloodbath. Dow down 12.39% in less than three days. Only another 27.5% to go to reach Covid non self-induced numbers...

Nice throw Robert good god. Wrong thread. Point still stands.

Matchups only matter if the batter isn’t an absolutely horrendous hitter against pitchers that throw with either arm.

I am not.

Honestly wonder if anyone has put a number on the ad revenue lost by this streaming bumblefuck

I don't know. I think broadcasting games this year might qualify as torture under the Geneva Conventions.