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As much as I like DJ it is impossible to expect honesty from a man in his position. He has been a broadcaster for the Sox for 17 years. He played for them. He travels with the team. His paychecks come from them. How could he possibly say any thing like " they suck and as long as management is who it is i don't see them ever getting very good". I expect him to be biased. He should be biased, but he can not speak truly honestly, he just can't. So take it for what it is. Another Sox fluff piece.

They won’t even go .500 in meaningless Spring Training games.

The Mets were 147-165 (89.1%) on SBs despite not having a particularly speedy roster, by far the highest success rate in the league (Cubs were second at 82.1%). Soto in particular credited Richardson for his career high 38 steals this year. Considering the Mets' deep pockets, one assumes the hangup isn't money, so...Getz should make a call?

2020 was fun but it was 60 games you couldn’t attend, and they expanded playoffs participants. If they played 162 , considering they were already down to 2 starters, it’s questionable if they would have been .500. So a huge asterisk for that one. But quickly run out of the playoffs both years, and almost didn’t even try to improve in 2022.

Westy: It looks like you're going off the deep end again my friend. 😆 Easy there. As a Sox historian I absolutely know about the successes this franchise has had but i also know this: Since 2007 the Sox are one of the worst franchises in baseball, putrid in fact. 13 losing years, five winning ones and a season at .500 The playoff record in that time? Three appearances, three first round exits and an overall record of 3-8. So given that context if the Sox did what the Cubs have done in the last 10 years, five playoff appearances and a World series title, you're damn right, I'd give a lot for the Sox to do the same thing.

You don’t think saying that “they’re going to suck for 3 years” isn’t being honest?

Richardson was on the Giants staff with Bannister in 2020-23 too...he could put in a good word for the org? Not sure I've ever had a strong position on a potential 1B coach hire, but I think I'd really like this one. His contract officially ends in a week. I suppose it's possible he's looking for a promotion rather than another 1B coach gig though. Tangentially related to the coaching vacancies, I also saw earlier that the Sox are hiring more quants:

I proposed trading cease for Betts before 2020 and re-signing him (which wouldn't have happened with Jerry, but I was right he was open to signing a deal before free agency). We'd have won world series in 2020 and 2021, and possibly won every world series since.

Peter Seidler was absolutely beloved in SD. Still is, each year removed from his untimely passing...but you probably think he was irresponsible for spending unsustainably for that size of a market, right? How about not mocking the very concept of even bidding for the greatest player in the history of the modern game, at least?

Duh. They're not going to spend much this offseason or next (prior to lock out).

No way

And then what happened? They got their asses beat so bad they looked like they didn’t even belong. And then your boy put the worst team in modern baseball on the field. If anyone needs to stop “bitching”, it is you.

Anyone who doesn’t acknowledge this is lying to themselves. They only played 37% of a normal season and by the playoffs, they had half a rotation left.

No argument exists to put Jerry or anyone ahead of the Owner of the Pirates as worst owner. The Pirates are an organization with fewer World Series titles, fewer division titles than the White Sox since that man took over. An organization who releases players a merely few PAs or IPS before having to give the player a measly 50K bonus, an organization who removed a Clemente tribute for an advertisement, who sent fan purchased bricks to a landfill, a franchise run by a moron General Manager who has no clue as to how to value the few salable assets the Pirates have. I am a White Sox fan living in Pittsburgh and maybe seeing it first hand is more impactful, but when I see the chicanery going on here I always think, "at least the White Sox are not this."

You are correct, they did make the playoffs in 2020 and 2021. Now tell the other part. What happened in those playoff series? They blew things up in the 2016 off-season, and tanked, on purpose, in 2017-2018-2019 (Not to mention when they were "trying to win" in 2013-2014-2015-2016 they went a combined 290-358) But even removing those years, fans had to watch awful baseball for three seasons, to be "rewarded" with two playoff appearances that lasted as long as a fart in the wind. Then they embarked on one of the worst .500 seasons anyone can remember in 2022, and followed that up with having the worst record in baseball the last three years. So you claim fans here "ignore" the 2020 and 2021 seasons. How should fans be acting about those seasons? You clearly don't agree with how those years are perceived, so please enlighten us on how they should be viewed.

I think 5 years ago people may have had that attitude but now that sam darnold and baker mayfield and daniel jones are playing like top 5 QBs I think people need to chill on that assumption a bit. That said, I'm not happy with how Caleb is playing, and especially how he can't seem to get the cadence right and get all of these penalties called.

2023: It's OK my friend. As Kenny Williams once said, "It is what it is..." Some folks are satisfied with mediocrity. Given what the Sox have done over the past 19 years I can understand I guess why they try to inflate the limited success they have had. Don't get me wrong in 2020 and 2021 they did some really good things, but in both cases it ended badly in part because of self inflicted wounds. That's hard to take.

Regardless of the shortened season, getting spanked and not even looking competitive is a pretty trash outcome. Just stop.

Considering the White Sox have only made the playoffs five times in the last 30 years, it’s ridiculous for you to call out Lip on his comment.

Sadly, not caring about depth has been a White Sox game for years. Hell, how often would they play a man short to avoid calling a player up and save a few bucks? And as well as they did in the Rule 5 last year, there’s no way you can count on those guys.

Threw Betts a strike on 0-2. Dumbass.

Finding a decent veteran starter for $5 million will be another fun roll of the dice. Relying on Gomez? I don’t see how that is even the rotation of a .500 team. Also, while some guys will continue to develop, other guys will no doubt experience a sophomore slump.

One thing that I really feel bad about for Pirates fans is that Bob Nutting (the team owner you are referring to) is only 63 years old. He could be the team owner for the next 20 years. At least we have an end to JR's ownership in sight with the plan to sell to the Ishbias between 2029 to 2034. Still not soon enough, but at least it's in the foreseeable future.

That strike 3 to Varsho tho... eep.

There's no injection of talent from the minors this year and Colson's might be one of the most unpredictable future trajectories that you can come up with.

That's exactly what I was going to say. My own thought is they'll win in the mid-to-upper 70s next season and competing for the division in 2027. They might be "really good" in 2028. He has them two whole years behind that.

Jerry knows and laughs every time he checks his bank statements.

It's very clear they aren't save for more bargain basement pick up's perhaps. And it's even possible JR orders another payroll cut.

Special teams has to be about the worst in the NFL. They are terrible

Oh good, I thought the headline was about DJ’s future role with the Sox, in that they wouldn’t be keeping him around. DJ is just about the last thing still around from when I was a younger fan. And it wouldn’t have surprised me for them to send him packing.

an unbelievably irrelevant draft class that featured a top ten pick and 3 second rounders.

Man, you're so absolutely full of s%*#. First, get the f*** out of here with "recency bias" Since 2015, the White Sox have 726 wins. Only the Rockies are worse, with a 723. Don't act like Sox fans have been "spoiled" with great baseball over the last decade. Second, the goalposts SHOULD move. That's how sports work. Expectations get raised. In 2006, when the White Sox came off their World Series Championship...they went 90-72 and it was one of the most disappointing seasons in franchise history. If the Sox got anywhere close to 90 wins in the next two seasons, fans would be thrilled, understandably so. Also, in the reply you made to me earlier, you said "All fan bases except the championship winner hate their teams' owners." If the Blue Jays beat the Dodgers in the World Series, fans in LA will not be calling for Mark Walter to step down anytime soon, so that statement is objectively false. Lastly, and probably most importantly, having the second worst record in all of baseball over the last 10 years should not be acceptable in the third largest market. We should expect more. If you expect White Sox fans to be more "grateful" for the 2020 and 2021 seasons, I don't really know what to tell you other than going 162-324 over the last three years makes those seasons feel like a LONG time ago. This franchise has been around since 1901 and 2020-2021 was the first time they ever made the playoffs in back to back years. The Astros just ended a streak of going to the ALCS seven years in a row. I'm not asking for a run like that, but really don't think it's asking a lot to see our favorite team have some sort of sustained success for 3-4 years. And if you think it's too much to ask....then congratulations, you found the right team to root for apparently. Jokes on us.

With all the intrinsic built-in challenges the team should have in Chicago vs. Detroit Cleveland Minnesota and KC. Imagine being in the West or East of either league... They'd be the Tennessee Titans, but even worse off.

This thread is about Jerry and his awful ownership of the team. I would say that looking at his 44 years of ownership would make sense as an appropriate sample, and 44 years is definitely not too small of a sample, nor would it contain recency bias. 7 postseason appearances in 44 years of Jerry’s ownership. That’s embarrassing.

I never said the 2020 season and postseason appearance didn’t count, but come on, it took a worldwide pandemic to shorten the season to 60 games. How often has an MLB season been shortened, other than the 1994 season in which Jerry screwed over his own WS contender over money. Anyways, do you think the Sox still win the division in 2020 if it went a full 162 games? They had half a rotation by the end of 60 games.

Yeah, it’s pretty hopeless from a payroll perspective for a while. I just hope none of main guys goes backwards, although there is a decent chance a someone will.

Slight possibility because they did have a decent second but I think they would need a few more pieces.

View them however you want to. The argument you're picking a single sentence out of is that the guy who complains long and loud about every player acquisition says he would be happy with another team's situation, and I say he wouldn't. He would conduct himself the same way as he does now. All fan bases except the championship winner hate their teams' owners.

Plus, the injuries to the usual suspects.

It's almost like you should clean house, right Jerry? Oh.

People can have different opinions on Caleb, and understandably so, given his non-consistent performances thus far in his short NFL career. But what can't be debated is the Bears will take the rest of this year, and all of next season to see what they have in him. It's just how it works. Going into Year 4, they're going to have to decide on the 5th year option before Year 4 starts, and that's when a decision needs to be made. And if he stays healthy, they'll have more than enough information to make an informed decision. And as others have mentioned with Jones, Baker, Darnold, if the Bears move on and Caleb finds success elsewhere...then it's a failure on the Bears part but at the end of the day, they need to find the QB that can thrive in Ben's offense. And this all goes back to the Bears insistence on always having the timelines fucked up, having a lame duck coach be in the room when you draft a QB in the first round, then firing him the next year...then eventually firing the GM, and having that GM inherit a coach and QB they didn't draft....and having the cycle just continue.

Yep. I would even argue that last season was worse than just wasted time because I think there’s a lot of undoing that Ben has had to do just to get Caleb back to square one.

The problem is last season was wasted with a terrible staff.

Satisfied may not be the right word. But they are compromising, and have low standards for their dollar/approval.

I think they have made the playoffs now five times in the past 10 years. As a Sox fan I'd give a lot for that.

And the fact that Varsho was never even moved after this thread was created. Regardless, Cease should have always been moved for prospects, not a 27 year old corner outfielder. The problem is that Getz chose the wrong prospects.

It comes down to not getting TDs in red zone. Been a problem for 3-4 weeks and it’s the penalties, execution, maybe play calling a bit and Caleb struggling when the field gets tight - but it isn’t anyone thing, but a bunch. Had Bears finished first two drives I bet this is a very different football game.

Sure, because expectations always increase, but he did a whole lot better than the Tribune did for decades in a few years.

Talk about an absolutely worthless thing to do. These guys do not care, man. Lmao what are they gonna do? Write a strongly worded letter demanding that they do better?