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There is a good chance it will heal and not need surgery if after the 6-8 weeks it tightens up. If it heals up enough then it will be strong enough. He could always injure it again but it won't be because of it being weaker.

Wow nice get for under the caps even. If you add that to the $63,300 we were under before that pick, that puts us at $140,000 under the slot caps. So if you pick up and lose no money and get Madrigal, Walker and Martin signed all at slot value, here is what the Sox can do. They automatically get no penalties for the first $125,000 of signing bonus. They can add to that the $140,000 they have in savings so far, also without seeing a penalty for a total of $265,000. Above that total, the Sox can go 5% over their total bonus pool of $10,589,900 and pay only an overage penalty, but lose no draft picks. That number is $529,485. The Sox could add that to the $265,000 and offer one guy like Bryce Bush, Alec Valenzuela, Adrian Del Castro, or Mason Montgomery (who were all late high school picks) up to $794,495 without losing a draft pick.

At least she can afford all the houses he's lost

Chuck = Yeager and Norris, Charlie = Brown. Chuck it is !

I thought someone pissed in your Cherrios to start the game. I now think u smoked a fatty and are much cheerier.

@greg775 ????

Guess who’s back? Back again

When you ignore that players are human beings that will have struggles then you must be a robot. I get you’re a numbers guy, but you have to consider all qualitative information as well or you will come to bad conclusions. I mean, would you even be having this same argument a month ago when his key numbers were all perfectly in-line with his 2017 stats? Never overreact to a player coming too big of a high or low and that’s exactly what you are doing right now.

Below are Jose’s stats for April/May of 2018, FY 2017, & his career averages: BB %: 6.6% / 5.2% / 6.4% K %: 18.0% / 17.6% / 19.3% BABIP: .331 / .330 / .332 ISO: .224 / .248 / .221 OPS: .882 / .906 / .873 wRC+: 140 / 138 / 136 Which stats suggest an unsustainable hot streak or a sudden aging? His BABIP good luck in May simply offset his bad luck in April. Again, I really think you’re reaching here. Jose looked really damn good those first couple months.

Dude put up a wRC+ of 140 in the first two months of the season (normally when he’s cold) and looked the part. Now he’s suddenly on an age trajectory because of one bad month? I’m convinced you’re a robot that doesn’t understand players have bad stretches and oftentimes will start pressing. I’m guessing being the one legit hitter in the lineup on a struggling team isn’t helping matters. Regardless, I don’t know why you keep bringing up 2016 as if that was somehow the beginning of a downward spiral. It was well documented that he was dealing with personal issues and completely rebounded in 2017, so your theory is pretty off there.

What a hero

lol...yes, because front offices overreact to slumps as much as the common fan. Teams will pay for Abreu based on what they project out of him in the 2H of 2018 & 2019 and if they believe they’ll get a comp pick for him when he leaves. They’ll certaintly use the slump as leverage in negotiations, but that doesn’t change his actual value. For a guy who seems to understand baseball, your hatred for Jose Abreu is quite bizarre.

I've never hated James Shields, just how he pitched up until this year for us

New rule. If the creator of a the previous night's winner game-thread doesn't create the thread either a) within an hour of the game's start OR within 3 hours of the Sox posting the lineup said creator cedes the right to create the new thread.

If you have to use Hall of Famers to find better hitters than a hitter you're speaking about, you're probably speaking about a very good hitter.

Steady work is important and especially in this economy.

People look down upon the profession... It's steady work, at least.

God I am a fool tonight

When I was in rehab "normal" was a game of checkers with a meth head in the day room. I don't know what Miguel's itinerary is, though.

More like Megan Trainor. No.

Big Game James just being gritty

Is @greg775the real slim shady?

Beautiful swings by Timmy tonight!

Very off-balanced at the plate, as his body is coming forward too much before point of contact. Causing lower bat speed and harder time with breaking pitches. Not overly worried, we've seen this before and then he goes on a terror.

Anyone else think that Tilson should be the leadoff hitter when he plays?

Sign that Big Game James to an extension

The textbook definition is mild sprain about 25% tear, moderate sprain 25%to 75%, severe 75%+. After 6-8 weeks they will re-evaluate to see if he needs surgery based on how loose it is.

You should trust the opinion of arguably the best medical staff in MLB. @ptatc knows his shit but last time I checked he hasn't personally evaluated Dunning's elbow and consulted with the Sox' medical team on a course of action.

You also have to consider his father made close to $100M so he's set for life. That extra bonus isn't his main priority. Reasons for signing with the Sox could be they could guarantee him lots of playing time, given that we were didn't have any high profile signings, or that the new developmental staff we have put in place to help him develop, or that Omar Vizquel has helped pitch the Sox to Tejada himself.

Donn Roach, like the Pope Donn Pall

SCOTUS just overturned a 40 year old precedent on public unions... today. Precedent isn't as sacred as some people would like it to be...

I'm not getting in the Hillary stuff anymore. People need to get over that. On the other hand people better start getting mad. Stop letting people tell you that it's wrong to get angry.

Lol...what? 36% above league average is good not great? There are literally 24 qualified hitters in baseball above that threshold right now. Whatever dude, I’m not wasting any more time on this. I think you are completely off-base here if you think his 2016 season is reflective of anything.

I'm sure you were A) This mad about a baker refusing Biden in 2012 and being invited to an official GOP presidential campaign B) Unhappy with an ethics violation by Sanders using her official government platform to go after a small business for exercising their first amendment rights

What? One month ago it didn’t look like an exception at all. You really need to pull his rookie season out of the equation as his droppoff the following year was due to the league adjusting to him, not some sort of aging curve. Other than the season he was dealing with personal issues and a bad June of this year, he’s been consistently in the 130 to 140 range for wRC+. You are really reaching here to create this aging curve narrative. Are you actually suggesting he just suddenly lost all his ability in June? If not, what elements of his production in April & May were outliers?

You keep looking at variables in isolation and jumping to crazy conclusions. First only velocity mattered and so Dunning was going to be a flop. Now it’s all about spin rate so Lopez will be AAAA fodder. How about both of these factors matter amongst many others like command & quality of secondary stuff. Pitching is a very complex process and it can’t be explained with one number. But let’s say it could, Fangraphs had Lopez’s fastball amongst the highest rated in the game earlier this season based on their pitch value calculations. From what I can tell, command and his changeup have been his biggest two problems this season. Those can improve with time, but obviously that requires patience. I just don’t understand the need to write him off so quickly. And I find it laughable you have more faith in Giolito thank Lopez, but that an argument for a different day.

everybody in this thread watches the games. Not everyone overreacts to every pitch as if its the end of the world

Hey, @Reddy, thoughts on Ocasio-Cortez?

Between fathom’s unwavering negativity & Parkman’s hot takes, I figured Lopez must of given up about 10 runs or so with 0 K’s. Then I check the box score and see he had a respectable start. And I get the box score doesn’t tell the whole story, but my god these game threads are brutal, way worse than usual IMO. It’s really apparent some people can’t deal with the highs & lows that come with developing young talent.

It is a Hawk era term, even.

Maybe just the Sox actually winning means nothing when people rather root for losses I suppose.

It's really nice to see a guy like Fry make a major leaguer out of himself when it didn't seem like a distinct possibility.

He's 54th in fWAR among qualified pitchers and is 24, relax. It would be nice if his 1B could field as well as his RF.

I hope you are all proud of me for biting my tongue and not posting responses in the thread.

This is surprising. Ron must be working day and night casting votes to make sure Abreu stays #1. Somebody get Ron a red bull, he's earned it... so far.

Can't wait to read 900 op-ed pieces by centrists about how the left are being mean to people who are locking children in cages and people who wan to make sure someone with a pre- existing condition can't get healthcare. Instead read this. Politics have real world consequences. This Is Just the Beginning

1) Older White Sox fans remember how Robin Ventura didn't do well his 1990 rookie season. Ventura turned it around his second season. Moncada is struggling this year. Hopefully he will start to do better the rest of the season. What troubles me about him is his bad defense. Hes making errors on ordinary ground balls. I can't help but wonder, if Moncada is this bad next year will the White Sox go in another direction at second base? 2) Bruce Levine said on the radio this morning he expects Jimenez to be brought up to the White Sox in another 3-4 weeks.If he's brought up I hope provides a spark to this team. This team is really hard to watch.

Greg, you always play this victim role, where everybody is out to get you simply because you have a different opinion, but you’re truly clueless, and this post is a perfect example of that. The Mets just claimed Chris Beck, and yet you are wondering if any team would take Shields or Soria for free?

Him and ReyLo deserve the nods.