Harry Chappas

I wonder how much of Manny leaving the limelight impacts anything. Let's be honest the White Sox getting Harper puts Machado to the Pads out of the news cycle completely. The east coast/limited interest bias can't get Trout into the mix from LA....you will never hear from Machado again. You put Machado in NY or Philly and there is still front page coverage. Harper going to a big market takes over the baseball news cycle for the next few weeks and is reason to check in on the White Sox. I am also wondering if Machado was balking about playing third here.

What player that has fallen victim to this has left their team and used this as the basis?

The White Sox need to come out and tell their fan base that Bryce Harper is too expensive as if they are in the mix they better sign him or we as fans need to realize that we are irrelevant. In the grand scheme of things if Madrigal and Moncada are the 2B and 3B of the future Harper is the perfect fit in RF, then 1B then DH. Why do I still care.....ugh

That is a no brainer right now if the White Sox were a serious franchise. If they won't pay that then I am finally in the camp that JR likes his one trophy and now the White Sox and Bulls will be irrelevant for years to come. These two guys are the exact pieces a team like them need. The Padres realized this and signed Machado. Yes it could a year or two early but these options are not coming along again in the near future. The White Sox payroll will not get above $125M any time soon. I really cannot comprehend how poorly the JR front offices are run.

Me too in the matter of about 20 seconds I did a whole 180.

Actually starting the season with two negative WAR outfielders is pretty hard to do I would imagine.

I'd go with the Machado offer and guarantee everything plus a little bump 10/$340 and a 5th year opt out. The opt out is good for the Sox to not include it makes no sense.

The thing I always said was that Machado would alleviate the Tatis argument going forward.... Machado going to SD makes it worst Alonso, Jay and the othesr are just the continuing kick in the nuts to the fans Oh and 10/$300M was a fair contract and should have been matched if what they said all off-season of being all in was not bullshit.

Harper is getting a no trade clause or at least a limited one.

The guy has been a troll when he was iwinforRon and a couple of other Ron handles. This board needs a scoreboard for the few folks that really have nothing left in life but to wander around internet message boards they are not even interested in because the world has nothing other than this to offer them

I finally believe what I heard all winter. The White Sox were not serious contenders they were like the person at the auction that is excited until it gets real then they get scared real quick. Hahn believed he could get a bargain and then was clowned when the real team walked in with their money.

They were saying on the radio and it started as tongue in cheek but it has popped up again and again and maybe I really am starting to believe that JR probably is happier that they were over bid. He was probably shitting thinking he would have to pay $250M over 8 years and the front office was probably lead to believe that they had the opportunity to make this deal. Front Office is mad but JR is A-OK

If the ceiling on Machado was really 10/$320 I think you offer that to Harper. I always felt Machado would be better in years 1-4 but Harper would hold value throughout the 10 years if that was what was needed. I have zero faith the White Sox front office is doing anything right now but it would make me forget he last few days. Harper could literally save this franchise right now.

He shouldn't take the court again this year. That is a big body doing athletic things.....oh and I dislike Duke.

I bought into and pushed that idea hook line and sinker. You don't need a seat at the table...just hook up for drinks after dinner and hammer it out.

That and I still can't get my arms around the fact Alonso and Jay will be the consistent reminders of their failing for the next 8 months then Tatis and Macahdo for the next 10 years. Then there is the ole JR I'm not taking risk let's cobble a contract up to make certain my risk is low. They literally have nothing to spend their money on for the next 5 years. Then the icing on the incompetence cake.....KW and RH can't figure out why they didn't get him.....they both need to STFU and be fired.

If the Sox said in December that they didn't think either guy was worth 10/$300 I would have been mad but ok with it. If Harper goes to the Phillies I am fine with it as the NL got much tougher by those guys going there and the cubs have a tougher road which if the Sox are going to suck my next enjoyment in baseball is watching the cubs lose. Here is my issue... THIS FRONT OFFICE THOUGHT THEY WERE IN IT AND TOLD US THEY WERE.......AT 10/$300 THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN IT. They treated us fans like were are idiots, they were clowned into thinking they could get each player at a bargain price. Hahn and Williams suck at their job but here they are leading a rebuild. They are Gar/Pax.... I wish they would have just droped out when they knew they could not spend 10/$300

So he gets fair market value from a team at the end of the day. White Sox sat in the bargain bin al lwinter. The swift kick in the ass is Tatis, Machado and the useless players that are Jon Jay and Yonder Alonso taring us in the face. What and epic fail by the Chicago White Sox.

My take is the Padres are throwing numbers out there and are beating the White Sox and now the White Sox need to counter the offer. Neither guy was signing until this time so now the agents are getting their ducks in a row. There needs to be no meeting or selling teams to guys moving in future years. The NFL and NBA free agency starts and ends in a week or two. The MLB doesn't even start until the season is about to begin. I am not sure why this is but it is what it is. In regard to this new theory, took Moose two years to get what he would have gotten in KC if he took the qualifying offer. He has stayed with Boras after this and did the same thing this year so what the hell do I know.

CPD has suspected since day it happened it was BS.

A thing of note.....I think the only players left are white sox phils and maybe pads.......there is no team that has ever thought they needed to block the Sox from getting both. Only teams impacted are AL Central and Cubs who are all neutered. We believe Phils are in because of crazy money talk.....owner/McPhail isn't saying that now and is walking back from it. No team will jump in to block Sox there is no Red Sox v yanks......Dodgers v Giants......Cubs v cards thing here. There may have been some NL east noise but I think if Phils were in crazy money mode they would have signed one. Padres getting one and Sox left out is a massive blow to give them Tatis and not make good one getting us a whale to offset. I think getting both is crazy talk but I think they get one.

Everyone believes in the Phillies because of the owner crazy money talk in late fall. Crazy money would have signed either guy by now. Smart sensible money is keeping them out of camp.

You can leave a state because of taxes but then you need to go to a state and find a job that has comparable income. For instance using police officers as their slary is readily avaailable. Average Chicago cop salary $80K Average cop salary nationally $53K Average Birmingham, AL salary $44K When people talk about uprooting and moving there is a much larger picture to view than, oh taxes there are low.

The tax issue is not correct as they pay taxes in the state they play. All home games are CA txes but playing in MO is MO taxes. The amount of games the Padres play in CA is a whole more than the White Sox play there.

If there really is no market over $250M for either than the Sox could get both. I don't think this will happen but other then the White Sox and Phillies who is in play? A lot of mystery teams which are all bullshit, there are no mystery teams rather teams are checking in to make certain that $175M is not the gross number. If the Sox offer opt outs after 4 years to either or both or front load the shit out of the contracts, who knows what happens. Both of these guys have some flaws and the stupid money just may not be there.