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I’d personally have 0 problem adding another 3-4 guys, but that’s a whole different discussion. But to answer your original question…only 2 of those 6 would need to be on the 40, India and Phillips. None of Arroyo, Petty, Stewart, or Cabrera were drafted/signed before 2021.

With the amount of trash on the Sox 40 does it really matter?

Cease and Eloy to Reds for: Jonathan India, Edwin Arroyo, Connor Phillips, Chase Petty, Sal Stewart, and Ricardo Cabrera Reds keep Marte and Lowder but give up 1/2 of their top 10 for the Sox “haul” Also frees up $ for the Sox to take shots in free agency on guys to flip later for more prospects later.

Not sure I’d pencil Walker in there….def not at #2. He didn’t touch the field in the playoffs and he also had some negative comments about the team in the media after the season. Wouldn’t surprise if he wasn’t on the team.

Maybe they just aren’t interested, but I’m surprised at not really seeing much rumored interest from the DBacks. Cease fills a need for a team looking to capitalize on and sustain their success from last year without breaking their budget. Also think Tommy Troy and Yu-Min Lin is as strong of a start to a package as we could ask for.

Call me crazy, but I really don’t care what positions we get back for Cease. Just want Getz and co to be smart and maximize value. This team is so far away from actually competing (not just for the central) that trying to get prospects for certain positions is a pointless worry. And like it or not, Robert is going to have to be traded before this rebuild of the rebuild is finished so whatever you don’t get for Cease you can address later in a Robert trade if need be. If you’re being realistic, who whinin the entire organization are we confidently penciling into the 2025 lineup/pitching staff? Montgomery and ….? Obviously we have some other prospects to be hopeful of, but the void of talent is so glaring that thinking we need to focus on any certain positions is kinda crazy to me honestly.

5/135 for Glasnow and his career high 120 IP at age 30…how is Cease at 2/18-20(ish) not worth a king’s ransom?

Not difficult to argue that the underspending by a lot of owners is just as big of a problem.

Maybe…but do they actually want 2 year deals? Maybe a player option, but most of those guys would rather have a 1 year deal so they can cash in on a multi year deal after. Doesn’t really make sense for them to sign a multi year deal when their value isn’t as high as it should/could be

I really don’t think it’s “priced out”, it just doesn’t really make sense for the Sox to be in on relatively expensive multi year deals right now. Signing a decent #3 starter to a multi year doesn’t help anything. The last thing I want Getz to be doing is plugging holes on this sinking ship of a roster. I suspect they’ll take a shot on a 1 year “prove it” type of contract they can flip at the deadline if it works out.

Sounds like he will come to the Sox for cheap, but even if it was $7M does it really matter? Overpaying the backup C by $4M next year will be the least of our worries. Not sure there’s even a logical way Getz can get the payroll to $150M without doing more damage than good. Payroll isn’t even on my mind for 2024, it’s irrelevant.

Would love to see the details of the deferred $. Ohtani is going to be getting checks for $5M a year until he’s 65.

I wonder if the Rays are crafty enough to sell off Glasnow and then trade for Cease. Would be a very Rays move.

None of the Dodgers top prospects are super enticing like other systems but a package that starts with Rushing and De Paula isn’t too shabby. Unfortunately, like Busch, most of their pitching prospects are 25+. Rushing + De Paula + Pages + a lotto ticket arm would be hard to say no to though

Fair enough, like I said, only looked at 1 list. Of course it’s all subjective. Basallo is a stud and likely deserves to be top 3, and I can see Kjerstad being dinged because of his age. Cowser and Mayo is probably a toss up depending on who you ask tho…and wether they are 3 or 4 is pretty irrelevant. My (hopefully) realistic offer to the Orioles would be Kjerstad, Mayo, Horvath and Juan Nunez. Still leaves them with Holliday, Cowser, Basallo, and Norby ready to make an impact within the next 2 years. They obviously need the TOR arm and have an embarrassment of riches when it comes to young talented position players.

Was going by last year’s mlb pipeline(Holliday, Cowser, Kjerstad) . Do you graduate Cowser and Kjerstad as “not prospects” after a cup of coffee in the majors last year? Wouldn’t shock me if Basallo was good enough at such a young age to jump at least 1 of them tho.

The Orioles system is honestly drool worthy. You can skip their top 3 prospects and still come up with a great package for Cease Basallo, Mayo, Norby, Beavers, Horvah…if we could get 3 of those 5 + a young arm it’s a heck of a deal

Wonder if all $1.75M is guaranteed? With the state of the roster it really doesn’t make sense to have an old and bad player take up playing time. We have what, like 5/6 guys under 26 that can play MI?

I wonder what the possibility of a Cease + Eloy deal to the Diamondbacks for a crazy prospect package is? Both players fit a need for the Dbacks (at least in theory Eloy does) without breaking whatever budget they have. They also have a very young core in place so trading blocked prospects makes sense to capitalize on the WS run and not fall off. A Tommy Young and Colson left side of the IF in 2026 would be pretty sexy. Young, Lin, De Le Santos + would be a nice shot in the arm to the rebuild.

Are you suggesting they are going to be old and broken down by the time the Sox are good? Might be the case because the franchise sucks and may never get good, but the idea that we have to look 5/6 years down the road is crazy to me. A competent franchise should be able to get back into contention by ‘26. And no I wouldn’t be worried about having guys in the prime at 28/29 with multiple years of team control left.

Is Nola really a low tier ace? He’s been largely a 3/4 with 2 low tier ace years mixed in. That’s a lot of $ for a SP that’s had an era above 4.4 2 of the past 3 years…I know the Phillies have it and SP’s aren’t easy to come by, but definitely a good bit of risk here.

Frasso, Pages, Busch, and Feduccia would be my asking price from the Dodgers. Feduccia just because we are likely to be in desperate need for a playable catcher at some point next year

Any combo of 2 of Painter, Abel, Crawford, and Aidan Miller from the Phillies + a lesser prospect would be a nice deal for the Sox. And I think the Phillies make a lot of sense as they are on the cusp of a WS and Cease represents a way to get a TOR SP without spending a lot of $ so they can spend elsewhere.

Certainly nothing to complain about here, good move. Do I have any faith in the Sox being able to “fix” prospects the Braves couldn’t? No, but crazier things have happened I suppose. Hopefully whatever forearm issues Soraka was dealing with at the end of the year isn’t foreshadowing for a surgery to come.

Yeah I honestly don’t even know about the Tigers owners and their financial situation. Bad franchise and not a destination city would have been a better way to put it. Basically, the statement the Sox put out is complete BS is what I’m saying. Going to Detroit is not a “career changing” moment like they tried to spin it and I highly doubt Jason even wanted to go there.