4 hours ago, poppysox said:

Five years of Benintendi at 15 per year is better than 3 years at 20 IMO for Jose.  Like every aging player, Jose will finally hit a wall and then everyone says the dumb GM should have seen it coming.  We have the pieces to swap Jose with 10-d and have a much better lineup because of it.  

Only because of current need he is better. But yeah.

5 minutes ago, Chick Mercedes said:

Only because of current need he is better. But yeah.

I am not saying Benni is better than Jose for the year 2023.  They will both probably have good years.  Because we do have Vaughn and we didn't have the needed left-handed outfield bat along his other skill set...it's not even close which player better fits today's team.

1 hour ago, LittleHurtCG said:

What does this even mean? Benintendi has only hit 20 homers once in his career and that was in 2017. 

You do realize that baseball is not played on paper or spreadsheets, right? 

It also isn't playing in one's imagination either.  In 2022 we should view information as a good thing, and utilize it in our decision making process.

Benintendi will probably hit 13-15 HRs next year and that's fine with me, just need bounce back years for like 5 guys

1 hour ago, joejoesox said:

Benintendi will probably hit 13-15 HRs next year and that's fine with me, just need bounce back years for like 5 guys

Your 13-15 homers are about right IMO.  Moncada, Robert, and Grandal are the three that need a bounce back badly.  Some luck and very good health are also required.  I'm very pumped for Pedro to show these guys what's expected of players who want a championship.

7 hours ago, LittleHurtCG said:

What does this even mean? Benintendi has only hit 20 homers once in his career and that was in 2017. 

You do realize that baseball is not played on paper or spreadsheets, right? 

If they moved the fences back to 450 feet all around the outfield for every stadium, and then I claimed Judge would only hit 3 home runs next season, would you respond to me by saying, “Why would you think that?  He literally just hit 62 home runs.  You do realize that baseball is not played on paper or spreadsheets, right?”

Sox know this. Why they're looking for a catcher

13 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Sox know this. Why they're looking for a catcher

My question would be why hasn't he had back surgery yet ? Surely recovery time would have him ready for opening day if he had the surgery when it was recommended.

Also why not surgery the minute the season ended ?

He also said the recovery and after effects of the Oct.2021 knee surgery took a toll.

However he feels confident the work in this off season with the Black Hawks conditioning coach Paul Goodman will benefit him greatly.

He's also been working on his catching setup to take pressure off his knees and block balls better while still being able to frame pitches with Sal Mosquera the Sox AAA catching co-ordinator.

https://theathletic.com/3837298/2022/11/12/white-sox-yasmani-grandal-turnaround/

36 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Sox know this. Why they're looking for a catcher

The fact the Sox allowed him to play through that when he wasn't contributing at all & still under contract for next season is completely insane. Admirable that he was willing to do that, which is odd considering he's allegedly such a bad guy/teammate, but that's a situation where a player must be protected from themselves.

Still thinking about all that money for a singles hitting corner outfielder. Ryan Sweeney was born a generation too soon.

5 hours ago, joejoesox said:

Benintendi will probably hit 13-15 HRs next year and that's fine with me, just need bounce back years for like 5 guys

When you consider the highest total for a White Sox player was 17 in 2022 then 13-15 would be fine!

2 minutes ago, maxjusttyped said:

The fact the Sox allowed him to play through that when he wasn't contributing at all & still under contract for next season is completely insane. Admirable that he was willing to do that, which is odd considering he's allegedly such a bad guy/teammate, but that's a situation where a player must be protected from themselves.

Unless I've missed something substantive, I've always thought this was just a narrative spread by people who don't like the way he plays. Nobody has ever said anything negative about him like they have with someone like Josh Donaldson. And speaking of which, the way Grandal stood up for Anderson during that weekend makes him seem like a good teammate if anything

Just now, Jose Abreu said:

Unless I've missed something substantive, I've always thought this was just a narrative spread by people who don't like the way he plays. Nobody has ever said anything negative about him like they have with someone like Josh Donaldson. And speaking of which, the way Grandal stood up for Anderson during that weekend makes him seem like a good teammate if anything

I think that's all it is, too. Total nonsense.

46 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Sox know this. Why they're looking for a catcher

Bad knees and bad back = no base at all and no power. Unless his back miraculously heals, he's not gonna contribute next year. 

10 minutes ago, chw42 said:

Bad knees and bad back = no base at all and no power. Unless his back miraculously heals, he's not gonna contribute next year. 

I'm not saying he *will* be good again, but clearly Yaz was able to play at a high level with knee issues. Just because the back wrecked 1 season I don't think makes it a certainty he's done as a productive player.

Edited December 20, 20223 yr by maxjusttyped

4 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

My question would be why hasn't he had back surgery yet ? Surely recovery time would have him ready for opening day if he had the surgery when it was recommended.

Also why not surgery the minute the season ended ?

He also said the recovery and after effects of the Oct.2021 knee surgery took a toll.

However he feels confident the work in this off season with the Black Hawks conditioning coach Paul Goodman will benefit him greatly.

He's also been working on his catching setup to take pressure off his knees and block balls better while still being able to frame pitches with Sal Mosquera the Sox AAA catching co-ordinator.

https://theathletic.com/3837298/2022/11/12/white-sox-yasmani-grandal-turnaround/

We can only guess obviously - but back surgery is a really big life decision. Many times back surgeries go the wrong way, and then you're stuck with the fallout for the rest of your life. If his back problem doesn't affect his regular life in a negative way, and knowing his baseball career is near the end regardless, then he probably made the best choice for himself.

5 hours ago, maxjusttyped said:

The fact the Sox allowed him to play through that when he wasn't contributing at all & still under contract for next season is completely insane. Admirable that he was willing to do that, which is odd considering he's allegedly such a bad guy/teammate, but that's a situation where a player must be protected from themselves.

What are the allegations Yaz is a bad teammate? I have yet to see those and it certainly doesn’t look that way to me. 

Sounds like a winner. Put him down for 150. 

21 hours ago, flavum said:

Beni, Benny, or full name.

10D is so lame. 

I thought he was going to be Rocco.

18 hours ago, LittleHurtCG said:

What does this even mean? Benintendi has only hit 20 homers once in his career and that was in 2017. 

You do realize that baseball is not played on paper or spreadsheets, right? 

And yet you wonder how we end up with Sheets in RF and Vaughn in LF. It's just baseball, who needs stats? Its baseball, they should be able to throw and catch a ball wherever they're put. 

Wow. Explains why Grandal looked as bad as he did.  Shouldn't this get its own thread?

Also, we'll see how this copy/pastes, otherwise I'll give the link. 

Anti stat people may want to give baseball savant a look. https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/andrew-benintendi-643217?stats=statcast-r-hitting-mlb

 

bUt hE dOeSnT pLaY aLl 162 gAmEs aT GuAraNtEeD rAtE! -- no s%*# sherlock. it's to say maybe, just maybe, his power isn't poor. He's shown the ability to drive the ball. He's also shown to be a heady player that can change his approach based on need. 

 

Expected Home Runs by Park

 

Year	HR
2016	3	5	5	4	5	5	3	5	4	2	4	3	3	4	4	5	4	5	3	4	6	3	4	4	4	5	5	4	3	4	5
2017	21	19	28	18	20	24	19	19	21	15	22	18	15	17	19	22	18	19	14	21	24	19	18	17	18	19	21	17	20	20	23
2018	16	21	23	17	17	17	17	23	18	11	16	19	15	12	18	21	16	21	11	19	19	18	16	19	20	21	21	16	20	16	24
2019	13	20	23	13	13	14	16	20	20	16	15	15	7	14	12	19	12	25	9	17	19	13	12	15	15	16	20	12	18	14	21
2020	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
2021	17	24	28	15	25	28	22	24	26	23	23	21	13	19	19	29	29	25	20	21	26	17	19	26	23	25	27	17	26	17	30
2022	5	12	14	9	9	8	8	9	8	8	8	9	5	4	8	10	9	12	4	8	10	8	8	10	11	8	11	6	10	7	12
Player	75	101	122	76	89	96	85	100	97	76	88	85	58	70	80	106	88	107	61	90	104	78	77	91	91	94	105	72	97	78	115

! Note: This tells how many of this player's home runs would have been out of other stadiums. This accounts for different wall heights, distances and environmental effects. For these purposes, the 2020 Blue Jays home field was still Rogers Centre,

9 hours ago, chw42 said:

Bad knees and bad back = no base at all and no power. Unless his back miraculously heals, he's not gonna contribute next year. 

Backs don’t miraculously heal for that matter.  They can be managed, but rigorous training for baseball really isn’t a remedy. 

45 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

Wow. Explains why Grandal looked as bad as he did.  Shouldn't this get its own thread?

There is a whole “what should we do about catcher” thread already.

9 hours ago, maxjusttyped said:

I'm not saying he *will* be good again, but clearly Yaz was able to play at a high level with knee issues. Just because the back wrecked 1 season I don't think makes it a certainty he's done as a productive player.

Maybe they should extend him.