Lynn and Kelly to LAD for Trayce Thompson, RHSP Nick Nastrini and RHRP Jordan Leasure

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

9 hours ago, GreenSox said:

Law's writeup on Nastrini suggests major upside (needs to throw more strikes, of course).

I'd like to bring long some Dodger coaches.
 

They turn players into better players hitting and pitching . They revamped Outmans whole swing and pretty much do the same to get more velo. We'd need more than just their coaches including scouts and their whole development system and people in whatever things they used , super slo mo cameras, biometrics etc.

That's where JR just sucks.

[pmb0928]

42 minutes ago, greg775 said:

I want some linguini to celebrate the acquisition of Nastrini. Not a fan of Kelly and Lynn, Trayce is no good BTW.

⁷

Trayce should fit right in with this club

[Dam8610]

18 hours ago, bmags said:

10. Nick Nastrini

RHP

Ht: 6'3" | Wt: 215 | B-T: R-R

Age: 23

BA Grade/Risk: 50/High

Track Record: Nastrini arrived at UCLA as a top recruit out of San Diego’s Cathedral Catholic High and grew into premium stuff as he gained strength and maturity. He entered his junior year with the Bruins considered a potential first-rounder, but he suffered a horrendous case of the yips and was dropped from the rotation by April. The Dodgers decided to take a shot on Nastrini’s raw stuff and drafted him in the fourth round in 2021, signing him for $497,500. He rediscovered his control and composure under the Dodgers’ instruction and flew up to Double-A in his first full season in 2022. He led the Dodgers’ system with 169 strikeouts and limited opponents to a .178 average, third-lowest in the minor leagues.

Scouting Report: Nastrini is a physical, 6-foot-3 righthander with power stuff. His fastball sits 94-95 mph and touches 98 with above-average ride and extension that helps it play as a borderline plus-plus pitch, especially at the top of the strike zone. His short, vertical slider in the mid 80s flashes above-average with late drop below barrels, and his fading mid-80s changeup is an average pitch that is more consistent than his slider. He added an 80-83 mph power curveball late in the year that is fringy now but has a chance to improve with more development. Nastrini has a polished, repeatable delivery, but he tends to be too methodical in his tempo and mechanics, leading to below-average control. He is best when he works quickly and lets his natural athleticism take over on the mound.

The Future: Nastrini’s loud stuff and improved control give him a chance to be a No. 4 starter if he can maintain his strides. He will open 2023 at Double-A and has an outside chance to reach the majors during the season.

Scouting Grades: Fastball: 65. Curveball: 45. Slider: 55. Changeup: 50. Control: 40

So slightly better than Dane Dunning who was given up for Lynn. The rest is fodder, this is good.

[JoeC]

We get salary space for a revamped bullpen next year 

[GreenSox]

9 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

That's where JR just sucks.

I put that on Hahn.  He's had a decade to build the infrastructure.  They share a facility with the godfather of infrastructure.  If he can convince JR to spend tens of millions on Younder Alonso and relief pitching, he should have been able to reap some infrastructure investment.

[Dick Allen]

The issue with Nastrini is walks, something the Sox aren’t known for fixing, The issue with Lee is chasing, something the Sox aren’t known for fixing. Maybe something will change.

[Tomas]

Got rid off a lot of dead weight.  Need to get rid of Hahn and find a major league manager

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

1 hour ago, GreenSox said:

I put that on Hahn.  He's had a decade to build the infrastructure.  They share a facility with the godfather of infrastructure.  If he can convince JR to spend tens of millions on Younder Alonso and relief pitching, he should have been able to reap some infrastructure investment.

JR has had 40 years to build the infrastructure. Hahn hasn't been the GM for 40 years. JR allocates the money and it's well know he doesn't like to spend on youth. Look at how he treats the Int'l draft. How many DR success stories have the Sox had under with JR in charge despite the vast amount of great DR players for many many of those 40 years.

If you want to give JR credit because he gave Hahn $185M to spend on the 25 man roster go right ahead but you cannot ignore the well documented facts that JR doesn't like to invest in potential. Hahn is JR's puppet , he does as he is told, not the other way around. He won't give pitchers long contracts. Al he allows Hahn to do is spend  most of the money on the 25 man roster.

I don't think you are looking at the big picture or have forgotten how the good teams who know how to develop talent have invested heavily in the Int'l draft while JR trades that money away or spent it in lumps sums like with Abreu and Robert. But the true pipeline of talent, those $1M or less 16 yr olds who later blossom into great players, not only are they not investing in them but they don't have the infrastucture in place to develop them and that has been on JR for his entire tenure.

If Tampa Bay can compete on a small budget in a terrible park with bad attendance year after year in the same division with the high spending Yankees and Red Sox, because they invest in potential why can't the Sox ever do it that way? It's mainly because JR is penny wise and pound foolish. All Hahn does is carry out his wishes and spends $10M here and $20M there thinking that the cheapest way to win is buying relief pitching and older washed up guys who soon retire or their performance goes south after joining the Sox. If you pay mediocre prices you get mediocre or worse returns .

Hahn certainly sucks at his job but you tell me how often over the years have the Sox actually poached top scouts, data analysts and biometric anaylsts and all the machines and software or executives  who were important cogs in developing pipelines of talent ? Marco Paddy isn't even allowed to do his job properly. Whose vote counted the most in hiring LaRussa ? Do you actually think JR doesn't have his hands on every aspect of spending that the Sox do? It's naive to think otherwise.

Edited July 29, 2023 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[The Kids Can Play]

10 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

They turn players into better players hitting and pitching . They revamped Outmans whole swing and pretty much do the same to get more velo. We'd need more than just their coaches including scouts and their whole development system and people in whatever things they used , super slo mo cameras, biometrics etc.

That's where JR just sucks.

You're damn right this is where Jerry sucks. The reason he sucks is because he is completely ignorant in his delusional thinking, that the loyal path in a front office is through promoting within...when "within" is always losing and unsuccessful.

Your points about the Dodgers are spot on when it comes to development. The brilliant thinking of the Dodgers ownership many years ago was when they decided to recruit and hire the best GM in baseball in Andrew Friedman and make him fully in charge of baseball operations as their president. 

When JR figures that out, which he probably never will, then maybe the Sox could also be great like the Dodgers.

Edited July 29, 2023 by The Kids Can Play

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

1 hour ago, The Kids Can Play said:

You're damn right this is where Jerry sucks. The reason he sucks is because he is completely ignorant in his delusional thinking, that the loyal path in a front office is through promoting within...when "within" is always losing and unsuccessful.

Your points about the Dodgers are spot on when it comes to development. The brilliant thinking of the Dodgers ownership many years ago was when they decided to recruit and hire the best GM in baseball in Andrew Friedman and make him fully in charge of baseball operations as their president. 

When JR figures that out, which he probably never will, then maybe the Sox could also be great like the Dodgers.

Required reading on the subject though  5 years old now. Future Value: The Battle for Baseball's Soul and How Teams Will Find the Next Superstar by Eric Longenhagen (Author), Kiley McDaniel (Author), Keith Law (Foreword) .

An unprecedented look inside the world of baseball scouting and evaluation from Fangraphs' lead prospect analysts

For the modern major league team, player evaluation is a complex, multi-pronged, high-tech pursuit. But far from becoming obsolete in this environment⁠—as Michael Lewis' Moneyball once forecast⁠—the role of the scout in today's game has evolved and even expanded. Rather than being the antithesis of a data-driven approach, scouting now represents an essential analytical component in a team's arsenal. 

Future Value is a thorough dive into the world of the contemporary scout—a world with its own language, methods, metrics, and madness. From rural high schools to elite amateur showcases, from the back fields of spring training to major league draft rooms, FanGraphs' Eric Longenhagen and Kiley McDaniel break down the key systems and techniques used to assess talent. It's a process that has moved beyond the quintessential stopwatches and radar guns to include statistical models, countless measurable indicators, and a broader international reach. Practical and probing, discussing wide-ranging topics from tool grades to front office politics, this is an illuminating exploration of how to watch baseball and see the future.

[caulfield12]

55 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Required reading on the subject though  5 years old now. Future Value: The Battle for Baseball's Soul and How Teams Will Find the Next Superstar by Eric Longenhagen (Author), Kiley McDaniel (Author), Keith Law (Foreword) .

An unprecedented look inside the world of baseball scouting and evaluation from Fangraphs' lead prospect analysts

For the modern major league team, player evaluation is a complex, multi-pronged, high-tech pursuit. But far from becoming obsolete in this environment⁠—as Michael Lewis' Moneyball once forecast⁠—the role of the scout in today's game has evolved and even expanded. Rather than being the antithesis of a data-driven approach, scouting now represents an essential analytical component in a team's arsenal. 

Future Value is a thorough dive into the world of the contemporary scout—a world with its own language, methods, metrics, and madness. From rural high schools to elite amateur showcases, from the back fields of spring training to major league draft rooms, FanGraphs' Eric Longenhagen and Kiley McDaniel break down the key systems and techniques used to assess talent. It's a process that has moved beyond the quintessential stopwatches and radar guns to include statistical models, countless measurable indicators, and a broader international reach. Practical and probing, discussing wide-ranging topics from tool grades to front office politics, this is an illuminating exploration of how to watch baseball and see the future.

Please send a copy to 35th and Shields...

[Dick Allen]

2 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

JR has had 40 years to build the infrastructure. Hahn hasn't been the GM for 40 years. JR allocates the money and it's well know he doesn't like to spend on youth. Look at how he treats the Int'l draft. How many DR success stories have the Sox had under with JR in charge despite the vast amount of great DR players for many many of those 40 years.

If you want to give JR credit because he gave Hahn $185M to spend on the 25 man roster go right ahead but you cannot ignore the well documented facts that JR doesn't like to invest in potential. Hahn is JR's puppet , he does as he is told, not the other way around. He won't give pitchers long contracts. Al he allows Hahn to do is spend  most of the money on the 25 man roster.

I don't think you are looking at the big picture or have forgotten how the good teams who know how to develop talent have invested heavily in the Int'l draft while JR trades that money away or spent it in lumps sums like with Abreu and Robert. But the true pipeline of talent, those $1M or less 16 yr olds who later blossom into great players, not only are they not investing in them but they don't have the infrastucture in place to develop them and that has been on JR for his entire tenure.

If Tampa Bay can compete on a small budget in a terrible park with bad attendance year after year in the same division with the high spending Yankees and Red Sox, because they invest in potential why can't the Sox ever do it that way? It's mainly because JR is penny wise and pound foolish. All Hahn does is carry out his wishes and spends $10M here and $20M there thinking that the cheapest way to win is buying relief pitching and older washed up guys who soon retire or their performance goes south after joining the Sox. If you pay mediocre prices you get mediocre or worse returns .

Hahn certainly sucks at his job but you tell me how often over the years have the Sox actually poached top scouts, data analysts and biometric anaylsts and all the machines and software or executives  who were important cogs in developing pipelines of talent ? Marco Paddy isn't even allowed to do his job properly. Whose vote counted the most in hiring LaRussa ? Do you actually think JR doesn't have his hands on every aspect of spending that the Sox do? It's naive to think otherwise.

This is all true but really  weird. A. You would think the fact you get more bang for your buck developing players would appeal to JR. B. He fired Roland Hemond after an 85 win season because the minor league cupboard was bare, and it cost them any chance at the 85 playoffs. Now he just doesn't give a f*** how bad the minor league system is.

[SCCWS]

14 hours ago, wegner said:

I was wondering if Leasure would crack our top 20 or 30

Bush here less than a day and already regressing, down from #5 to 6.

May have been an injury he suffered on plane ride to Chicago. 

[The Kids Can Play]

3 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Required reading on the subject though  5 years old now. Future Value: The Battle for Baseball's Soul and How Teams Will Find the Next Superstar by Eric Longenhagen (Author), Kiley McDaniel (Author), Keith Law (Foreword) .

An unprecedented look inside the world of baseball scouting and evaluation from Fangraphs' lead prospect analysts

For the modern major league team, player evaluation is a complex, multi-pronged, high-tech pursuit. But far from becoming obsolete in this environment⁠—as Michael Lewis' Moneyball once forecast⁠—the role of the scout in today's game has evolved and even expanded. Rather than being the antithesis of a data-driven approach, scouting now represents an essential analytical component in a team's arsenal. 

Future Value is a thorough dive into the world of the contemporary scout—a world with its own language, methods, metrics, and madness. From rural high schools to elite amateur showcases, from the back fields of spring training to major league draft rooms, FanGraphs' Eric Longenhagen and Kiley McDaniel break down the key systems and techniques used to assess talent. It's a process that has moved beyond the quintessential stopwatches and radar guns to include statistical models, countless measurable indicators, and a broader international reach. Practical and probing, discussing wide-ranging topics from tool grades to front office politics, this is an illuminating exploration of how to watch baseball and see the future.

Thanks, great stuff.

Sadly due to the antiquated system Rick Hahn and Chris Getz employ, our scouts will never see this, nor understand it. 

[Texsox]

It's so maddening. The answers are so easy. Why are we the only franchise that isn't successful at running a MLB team? 

 

[The Kids Can Play]

6 hours ago, Dick Allen said:

The issue with Nastrini is walks, something the Sox aren’t known for fixing, The issue with Lee is chasing, something the Sox aren’t known for fixing. Maybe something will change.

Yes hopefully next season with a new manager, pitching and hitting coach.

[The Kids Can Play]

5 minutes ago, Texsox said:

It's so maddening. The answers are so easy. Why are we the only franchise that isn't successful at running a MLB team? 

 

 

[Chisoxfn]

I hope Sox hire from Rays org. Get someone who has done it with limited budget who can show Jr how those investments can help him keep costs down and make profits while actually having better teams. 

[Lip Man 1]

1 hour ago, The Kids Can Play said:

 

Like McGuffy said, "It starts at the top down..."

[Lip Man 1]

30 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

I hope Sox hire from Rays org. Get someone who has done it with limited budget who can show Jr how those investments can help him keep costs down and make profits while actually having better teams. 

Not happening. There will be no changes in the front office and they claim they are going to "compete" next season. 

[Dick Allen]

Kiley McDaniel was on the flagship earlier. He ha Montgomery as one of the top 10 prospects in the game now and likes the guys the Sox just acquired he , who ranked the system last last season and 26th at the beginning of this, 12th currently. 

[Chicago White Sox]

4 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

Kiley McDaniel was on the flagship earlier. He ha Montgomery as one of the top 10 prospects in the game now and likes the guys the Sox just acquired he , who ranked the system last last season and 26th at the beginning of this, 12th currently. 

He has us 12th currently?

[Dick Allen]

4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

He has us 12th currently?

Yep.

[wrathofhahn]

3 hours ago, Texsox said:

It's so maddening. The answers are so easy. Why are we the only franchise that isn't successful at running a MLB team? 

 

Look at the FA signings. So much wasted money. We have actually done a good job on trades and drafting for the most part but FA has been a complete disaster

The sad part is the guys we brought in like Garcia were obvious mistakes at the time.

Edited July 29, 2023 by wrathofhahn

[pcq]

Saturday night Sox home games are the best and I hate Fox for interfering. This is White Sox baseball.