Lip Man 1 Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 (edited) Wonder what JR's reaction will be: https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2023/8/16/23834748/white-sox-tough-team-to-watch-says-ken-harrelson-one-of-their-biggest-fans “Jerry is the most honorable person, and he’s honorable to a fault sometimes because of his loyalty. And there’s some changes that have to be made there, and whether or not he’ll make them, I don’t know.” Edited August 17, 2023 by Lip Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 4 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: Wonder what JR's reaction will be: https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2023/8/16/23834748/white-sox-tough-team-to-watch-says-ken-harrelson-one-of-their-biggest-fans “Jerry is the most honorable person, and he’s honorable to a fault sometimes because of his loyalty. And there’s some changes that have to be made there, and whether or not he’ll make them, I don’t know.” I'm so sick of hearing about his loyalty. There are so many players he sent packing instead of having them finish their careers here. He's screwed over the fans that have made him rich. He forced a strike when the team had it's best chance in decades to compete. Locked out players and held the strongest line. Mark, Frank, Jose, Carlton . . . He's loyal to cheap deals, and lap dog executives that won't question him. It's not the kind of loyalty anyone should admire. 10 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 Hawk is one of the biggest beneficiaries of that loyalty I really don’t want to hear it from him 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Texsox said: I'm so sick of hearing about his loyalty. There are so many players he sent packing instead of having them finish their careers here. He's screwed over the fans that have made him rich. He forced a strike when the team had it's best chance in decades to compete. Locked out players and held the strongest line. Mark, Frank, Jose, Carlton . . . He's loyal to cheap deals, and lap dog executives that won't question him. It's not the kind of loyalty anyone should admire. he's loyal to the people close to him, and he purposely keeps those close to him as just rich friends and their sons. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 We know he’s referring to Boyer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 The likelihood that Brooks Boyer of all people has nefarious tendrils rooted deep within the org and or has the power to pull JR’s strings really seems far fetched to me. Hawk, love ya, but I really don’t care about whatever beef you have with Brooks Boyer. This is another big nothing to me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Texsox said: I'm so sick of hearing about his loyalty. There are so many players he sent packing instead of having them finish their careers here. He's screwed over the fans that have made him rich. He forced a strike when the team had it's best chance in decades to compete. Locked out players and held the strongest line. Mark, Frank, Jose, Carlton . . . He's loyal to cheap deals, and lap dog executives that won't question him. It's not the kind of loyalty anyone should admire. There's a difference between loyalty and cronyism. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 Hawk is an absolute national treasure. I'm glad he's still doing well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted August 17, 2023 Author Share Posted August 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Tnetennba said: The likelihood that Brooks Boyer of all people has nefarious tendrils rooted deep within the org and or has the power to pull JR’s strings really seems far fetched to me. Hawk, love ya, but I really don’t care about whatever beef you have with Brooks Boyer. This is another big nothing to me. Well for what it is worth, from what I was told over the winter from people who would know, if half of the things they said Brooks supposedly did are true it really is a terrible situation. I know Brooks he's always treated me well and I was stunned to be told some of these things, from Sox fest to the stadium naming right deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan of Steel Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 8 hours ago, Texsox said: I'm so sick of hearing about his loyalty. There are so many players he sent packing instead of having them finish their careers here. He's screwed over the fans that have made him rich. He forced a strike when the team had it's best chance in decades to compete. Locked out players and held the strongest line. Mark, Frank, Jose, Carlton . . . He's loyal to cheap deals, and lap dog executives that won't question him. It's not the kind of loyalty anyone should admire. This is what is referred to as "cronyism". Jerry likes his cronies. Guys who will be willing to stroke his ego and not rock the boat. Meanwhile, the franchise continues to be consistently disappointing on the field and the same front office flops repeatedly and fails to develop even a semblance of the sheer talent they drunkenly stumbled into. They spent years collective farm pieces to build up a core and what do we have to show for it? 1 legitimate playoff appearance and in turn, a swift exit from said playoffs. Then back in the tank almost immediately. I'm getting absolutely tired of Chicago sports and their insistence of holding onto failing executives and coaches because their incompetent owners continue to value their yes-man antics, all while ignoring their infinitesimal ability to put together a competent sports team. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 6 hours ago, Tnetennba said: The likelihood that Brooks Boyer of all people has nefarious tendrils rooted deep within the org and or has the power to pull JR’s strings really seems far fetched to me. Hawk, love ya, but I really don’t care about whatever beef you have with Brooks Boyer. This is another big nothing to me. Hawk also constantly comes across as angry and bitter and has since before he was not-fired. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 49 minutes ago, Quin said: Hawk also constantly comes across as angry and bitter and has since before he was not-fired. There definitely seems to be some bitter motivation behind some of his less than effusive comments about the org of late. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Tnetennba said: There definitely seems to be some bitter motivation behind some of his less than effusive comments about the org of late. Would you really have expected him to get behind another rebuild with half the farm system compared to what they had when it was a legit rebuild in 2017-2019? Edited August 18, 2023 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 3 hours ago, Tnetennba said: There definitely seems to be some bitter motivation behind some of his less than effusive comments about the org of late. Or maybe the motivation is that the organization is a complete dumpster fire? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 8 minutes ago, NCsoxfan said: Or maybe the motivation is that the organization is a complete dumpster fire? The Sox being a dumpster fire isn’t new. Hawk taking shots at Brooks Boyer of all people is. Both have been org fixtures for ages yet Hawk is only taking shots at him now. What changed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 36 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: The Sox being a dumpster fire isn’t new. Hawk taking shots at Brooks Boyer of all people is. Both have been org fixtures for ages yet Hawk is only taking shots at him now. What changed? Boyer has a lot more say/power/influence than he used to...maybe even more than Hahn, in terms of how "everything" organizationally is run, when you start incorporating marketing/public relations/media presence and perception 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grinder Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 20 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Boyer has a lot more say/power/influence than he used to...maybe even more than Hahn, in terms of how "everything" organizationally is run, when you start incorporating marketing/public relations/media presence and perception Every time Ive written to Brooks, Ive gotten a reply, hes even donated Sox items to a charity here in Freeport. But I voiced my displeasure (very diplomatically) about 2 wks ago but have received no reply this time. Wonder why? Too busy deflecting blame? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 When you’ve lost Hawk, you’ve lost most Sox fans as well. Wonder if he is still a team ambassador. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 Man the Sox have been horsebleep since Hawk left. He has to be pleased he's not broadcasting this ridiculously bad team. Obviously he misses the easy cash tho. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, greg775 said: Man the Sox have been horsebleep since Hawk left. He has to be pleased he's not broadcasting this ridiculously bad team. Obviously he misses the easy cash tho. He missed the franchise unprecedented two consecutive playoff appearances in 2020/21. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 11 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: He missed the franchise unprecedented two consecutive playoff appearances in 2020/21. Well, he didn't miss much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgrittenburg Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 On 8/17/2023 at 4:55 AM, Texsox said: I'm so sick of hearing about his loyalty. There are so many players he sent packing instead of having them finish their careers here. He's screwed over the fans that have made him rich. He forced a strike when the team had it's best chance in decades to compete. Locked out players and held the strongest line. Mark, Frank, Jose, Carlton . . . He's loyal to cheap deals, and lap dog executives that won't question him. It's not the kind of loyalty anyone should admire. wonder if he's pointing the finger at Kenny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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