Just now, Chicago White Sox said:

It really is weird timing.  It’s almost like Jerry has turned full heal and wants to destroy what little love for the franchise us Sox fans have left.

I think it’s the opposite and the past two seasons has killed his love for the game and it’s expediting a possible sale.

It's hard not to feel a little bit like an Oakland A's fan the way these last two seasons have gone...and now "playing for wins" instead of prioritizing the development of guys like Sosa, Colas, whatever resources they can throw at catcher (Lee and Perez), etc.

 

From a practical standpoint, maybe Pedro "trying to win" will mean even worse results...which means at least ending up with the 3rd position in the draft.  Seems too much of a reach to fall back to the Royals and A's with the scant amount of games remaining on the schedule.

Edited August 22, 20232 yr by caulfield12

Brandon Johnson is a Cubs fan btw.

3 minutes ago, fathom said:

I think it’s the opposite and the past two seasons has killed his love for the game and it’s expediting a possible sale.

Well that would be ideal and given his wife’s passing, maybe reality is finally settling in for him.

On the subject of bad owners in sports, it's tough to beat Cleveland's Ted Stepien.

15 minutes ago, tray said:

Consider the source. Hinz is a cub fan. Enough said.

Ok. We have to know. How are you related to the Reinsdorfs?

Edited August 22, 20232 yr by Paulie4Pres

Oh please be true.

Is Jerry reading Soxtalk? We just had that thread about a new stadium.

13 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

I do think the city and state will offer a few carrots because it doesn't look good to move a team, but it will be dramatically less than what they gave him with the last deal. If he doesn't accept that he will be paying a whole lot more to the city and state...well...

Officials have zero reason to do the responsible thing, they aren't paying for it personally, get benefits politically if they "save the team".

Paying for street improvements and other infrastructure is acceptable, I believe they do the same for other businesses but honestly I'm not certain. In turn, the Sox should pay property taxes like every other business for the first time since 1990.

Handouts to Jerry, or companies like Boeing are not acceptable in 2023, shouldn't have been acceptable in the past. All it does is saddle remaining businesses and individual taxpayers, and future generations (servicing the $420 million debt and growing) with the tab.

1 hour ago, bmags said:

If you offered me the Sox being contracted but Jerry losing all his money and his worthless kids needing real jobs, or the Sox sticking around but Jerry lives another 15 years….I’d have a really hard decision.

I wouldn't.  

Jerry is moving the team to Flat Bush. 

Go ahead. Fucking leave.

Fine to leave the G Spot, but not fine to leave Chicago. The Nashville White Sox wouldn’t be the same, I’d be pissed like the A’s fans and probably couldn’t remain a fan without a Chicago connection. And I don’t see how the team gets contracted, they aren’t the Expos.

5 minutes ago, The Beast said:

Fine to leave the G Spot, but not fine to leave Chicago. The Nashville White Sox wouldn’t be the same, I’d be pissed like the A’s fans and probably couldn’t remain a fan without a Chicago connection. And I don’t see how the team gets contracted, they aren’t the Expos.

If they move out of the state, no one should remain a fan of them.

24 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

It really is weird timing.  It’s almost like Jerry has turned full heal and wants to destroy what little love for the franchise us Sox fans have left.

He and Einhorn bought the team and immediately dissed Bill Veek. 

Then they fired the popular Jimmy Piersall, took the Sox off free TV on national superstation WGN, causing the beloved Harry Caray to go to the crosstown rival Cubs which cemented Chicago as a Cubs town. 

Then when his team clinched the division, he promptly used the occasion to call Harry and Jimmy "scum" only to watch his team be defeated in the first round never to return to the playoffs for another decade. 

Then he threatened to move the team to Florida, tore down the beloved Comiskey Park and held up the taxpayers of Illinois to build an ugly monstrosity of a stadium.

He has hired nothing but cronies instead of competent baseball people, making this franchise a joke and just about irrelevant.

 

Screw him and the horse he road in on.  He should just sell, take his profit and go away.  Or if they contract this franchise, so be it.  

Jake the Sox belong in Chinatown. Or they could play in the Bears new dome. 

Just now, South Side Fireworks Man said:

He and Einhorn bought the team and immediately dissed Bill Veek. 

Then they fired the popular Jimmy Piersall, took the Sox off free TV on national superstation WGN, causing the beloved Harry Caray to go to the crosstown rival Cubs which cemented Chicago as a Cubs town. 

Then when his team clinched the division, he promptly used the occasion to call Harry and Jimmy "scum" only to watch his team be defeated in the first round never to return to the playoffs for another decade. 

Then he threatened to move the team to Florida, tore down the beloved Comiskey Park and held up the taxpayers of Illinois to build an ugly monstrosity of a stadium.

He has hired nothing but cronies instead of competent baseball people, making this franchise a joke and just about irrelevant.

Screw him and the horse he road in on.  He should just sell, take his profit and go away.  Or if they contract this franchise, so be it.  

Not to mention cancelling 1994, the White Sox' best World Series chance since 1917, and then the White Flag trade, the 2020 lockout, the 2021 lockout, hiring DUI guy, etc. 

1 minute ago, fathom said:

If they move out of the state, no one should remain a fan of them.

Unless it's with different, competent owners.

1 hour ago, fathom said:

And I don’t care how loyal he is to players, he treats the fans like scum.

And think about how many players have left disgruntled. It's not like he's universally loved by anyone who works for him. 

He is very, very bad at professional team ownership. 

1 minute ago, South Side Fireworks Man said:

Unless it's with different, competent owners.

Yea. I'd be fine with that.

2 minutes ago, fathom said:

If they move out of the state, no one should remain a fan of them.

I'm done with the sport at that stage, they already killed the other team I cared about (Expos).

Hope World Series ratings drop under 1 million over the next decade and loses to Real Housewives of Salt Lake City or whatever other trash is on TV these days.

2 minutes ago, South Side Fireworks Man said:

He and Einhorn bought the team and immediately dissed Bill Veek. 

Then they fired the popular Jimmy Piersall, took the Sox off free TV on national superstation WGN, causing the beloved Harry Caray to go to the crosstown rival Cubs which cemented Chicago as a Cubs town. 

Then when his team clinched the division, he promptly used the occasion to call Harry and Jimmy "scum" only to watch his team be defeated in the first round never to return to the playoffs for another decade. 

Then he threatened to move the team to Florida, tore down the beloved Comiskey Park and held up the taxpayers of Illinois to build an ugly monstrosity of a stadium.

He has hired nothing but cronies instead of competent baseball people, making this franchise a joke and just about irrelevant.

 

Screw him and the horse he road in on.  He should just sell, take his profit and go away.  Or if they contract this franchise, so be it.  

Mostly true.... but I don't want all of that anger and desire for retribution to ever result in Chicago losing our White Sox. Some things are larger and more important  than any one person whether that is in politics, sports or business. 

2 minutes ago, tray said:

Mostly true.... but I don't want all of that anger and desire for retribution to ever result in Chicago losing our White Sox. Some things are larger and more important  than any one person whether that is in politics, sports or business. 

I know he owns the team but damnit the White Sox are ours.....and I wish he'd stop screwing them up.

Unfortunately with the tax laws the way they are, I don't see anyway they get sold until he is gone.

This settles it, the Sox are going to move out of Chicago. I have been calling this for a while now. The franchise has a failure BECAUSE IT IS DESIGNED TO BE!!! How else would they entertain the thought of moving out of Chicago if they were a success? 

16 minutes ago, fathom said:

If they move out of the state, no one should remain a fan of them.

 

14 minutes ago, South Side Fireworks Man said:

Unless it's with different, competent owners.

I gotta tell ya...if its new ownership, and it becomes the Nashville White Sox...I'm strangely ok with it. I have no connection to the city of Chicago though, of course. I've never lived there, or had any affiliation, my fandom came from an Auburn TE drafted many moons ago. Any solution, regardless, has to involve someone new at the helm.