CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Us waiting at the computer for Cali to tell us who he suggested the Sox trade away for Outman last offseason. Easy to say "trade for this guy" when you're not the one actually trying to line up a trade that works for both teams. I can always count on you to be the tastiest meatball of them all. Go find another target. Arent me and Balta enough or are you just a typical bully afraid to take a stand against anyone you consider a cool kid. Grow up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: I can always count on you to be the tastiest meatball of them all. Go find another target. Arent me and Balta enough or are you just a typical bully afraid to take a stand against anyone you consider a cool kid. Grow up. And go ahead and continue to give yourself all the pats on the back you want. Doesn’t mean he was ever a realistic target for our Sox. Dodgers OF at the end of 2022 was him and Betts. That’s it lol they were counting on him. Edited November 20, 2023 by Bob Sacamano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey21 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 3 hours ago, SoCalChiSox said: Lol...I think Bartolo is @Chicago White Sox second least favorite fake insider out there behind only Lion in Texas. On the merits, it's not a bad proposal you get two pitchers plus a RF....only thing missing is left handed savagery. Take out Knack and Barnes and replace with Busch. Pretty sure it’s Orlando good ole Al’s Cheesy Beef 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 18 hours ago, SoCalChiSox said: Yeah I have a gut feeling that he's a Dodgers lab created player that would be a JAG anywhere else. IMO, Baltimore is the best match unless the LAD are super desperate. Yeah, this should actually be considered heavily to be honest and not getting enough attention. He probably doesn't have anywhere near the 2023 he did with the Sox as he did the Dodgers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty22hotty Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 cease was ranked #17 in fWAR but #28 in xFIP. worst case its safe to say hes a bottom third Ace. I overvalued Gios value at the deadline but the dodgers need to give up 2 SP here. Trading 2 years of an ace for around 10 years worth of #3/4s seems fair (Pepiot/Grove/Sheehan/Stone). Outman just has too much value stored up. The play was to trade for him last off season. I'd like to imagine 2 of those 4 SP are already in an offer and Getz is waiting for someone to top it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 1 minute ago, scotty22hotty said: cease was ranked #17 in fWAR but #28 in xFIP. worst case its safe to say hes a bottom third Ace. I overvalued Gios value at the deadline but the dodgers need to give up 2 SP here. Trading 2 years of an ace for around 10 years worth of #3/4s seems fair (Pepiot/Grove/Sheehan/Stone). Outman just has too much value stored up. The play was to trade for him last off season. I'd like to imagine 2 of those 4 SP are already in an offer and Getz is waiting for someone to top it If he was even available, sure. But the Dodgers depth was low going into the off-season. Guy was penciled into CF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 19 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: If he was even available, sure. But the Dodgers depth was low going into the off-season. Guy was penciled into CF. An issue with some of the Dodgers pitching is that most and/or all of those players are not exactly young for being prospects. If I am dealing Cease I would want players young than 25-26 years old as centerpieces. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 29 minutes ago, scotty22hotty said: cease was ranked #17 in fWAR but #28 in xFIP. worst case its safe to say hes a bottom third Ace. I overvalued Gios value at the deadline but the dodgers need to give up 2 SP here. Trading 2 years of an ace for around 10 years worth of #3/4s seems fair (Pepiot/Grove/Sheehan/Stone). Outman just has too much value stored up. The play was to trade for him last off season. I'd like to imagine 2 of those 4 SP are already in an offer and Getz is waiting for someone to top it We need position players bad IMO. We got Nastrini, Eder and Bush and we've been told at least one of Soroka or Shuster will be in the rotation. Presumably before they traded for Nastrini, Eder or Bush they talked to our Farm Director (now GM) to get his thoughts on these minor leaguers since his "expertise" if you can call it that is presumably the minor leagues, so I think getting 2 SPs back as the main pieces for Cease is overkill. How bout we fucking develop the guys we apparently wanted and traded for? Since 24 is lost, why don't we just get position players and come 25 see whether one or more of Pallette, Mena, Thompson, Schultz is ready to be in the rotation? Schultz was destroying Low A hitters and I bet if given the chance he would have destroyed High A hitters if he didn't get shut down early as a precaution. We need legit bats. You got Quero fine....how bout RF and 2B? Maybe Pages and Busch? Or Cowser/Hjerstad and Ortiz? The SP prospect can be the third piece....yes they will be flawed, but even the Dodgers other SP prospects in the top 100 are flawed. Just get the damn bats and go with a close to MLB ready 4/5 low ceiling SP prospect as the third piece. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 10 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: We need position players bad IMO. We got Nastrini, Eder and Bush and we've been told at least one of Soroka or Shuster will be in the rotation. Presumably before they traded for Nastrini, Eder or Bush they talked to our Farm Director (now GM) to get his thoughts on these minor leaguers since his "expertise" if you can call it that is presumably the minor leagues, so I think getting 2 SPs back as the main pieces for Cease is overkill. How bout we fucking develop the guys we apparently wanted and traded for? Since 24 is lost, why don't we just get position players and come 25 see whether one or more of Pallette, Mena, Thompson, Schultz is ready to be in the rotation? Schultz was destroying Low A hitters and I bet if given the chance he would have destroyed High A hitters if he didn't get shut down early as a precaution. We need legit bats. You got Quero fine....how bout RF and 2B? Maybe Pages and Busch? Or Cowser/Hjerstad and Ortiz? The SP prospect can be the third piece....yes they will be flawed, but even the Dodgers other SP prospects in the top 100 are flawed. Just get the damn bats and go with a close to MLB ready 4/5 low ceiling SP prospect as the third piece. I'd much prefer bats from the O's than any of these rough Dodgers offers that are thrown around. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: I'd much prefer bats from the O's than any of these rough Dodgers offers that are thrown around. Yeah I kind of prefer the Os too depending on what we can get obviously. Ortiz can be a ++ SS and he has a playable bat too so u don't need to force Monty there if it's not working and I think either LHH outfielder from them is great. Just get the two bats and Povich unless the Dodgers are willing to part with Busch, Pages AND a Top 100 SP. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmb0928 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 If you go with the O's then look at Connor Norby, a top 2nd base prospect. The Sox havent had a 2nd baseman worth a damn in years. He looks to be a 15-20HR guy with a .280 average. Hit 29 HRS in 2022 and 21 in 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 BTW, since BA came out with their new rankings I noticed Busch is ahead of Rushing. Did they post updated scouting grades? I'm assuming either this means Rushing won't stick at C or Busch's hit/power tools now grade out as higher than just 55/55, or maybe they are saying he sticks at 2B, which is somewhat doubtful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 4 hours ago, SoxBlanco said: James, any prediction on when Cease gets dealt? No idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 17 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: BTW, since BA came out with their new rankings I noticed Busch is ahead of Rushing. Did they post updated scouting grades? I'm assuming either this means Rushing won't stick at C or Busch's hit/power tools now grade out as higher than just 55/55, or maybe they are saying he sticks at 2B, which is somewhat doubtful. Their entire top ten was pretty brutal, tbh. Lots of the kind of caveats the sox have too many of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: No idea Jimmy outside of the Cease trade compensation is there anything remotely decent to look forward to in this offseason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, bmags said: Their entire top ten was pretty brutal, tbh. Lots of the kind of caveats the sox have too many of. I have a feeling Dodgers are not the end destination if Cease gets dealt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Bob Sacamano said: If he was even available, sure. But the Dodgers depth was low going into the off-season. Guy was penciled into CF. I had no idea sox fans liked outman so much. Guy can't hit lefties, he's a high k high babip player career to date - not a great pair to have. He's fine, but I wouldn't be shocked at all if he turned into a pumpkin. I'm on record as 100% out on Joc Outman Jr! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 8 minutes ago, steveno89 said: I have a feeling Dodgers are not the end destination if Cease gets dealt If top betting choices were baltimore and LAD I'm taking the field for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 19 minutes ago, bmags said: Their entire top ten was pretty brutal, tbh. Lots of the kind of caveats the sox have too many of. Ugh....thats discouraging insofar as trade targets goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 25 minutes ago, bmags said: Their entire top ten was pretty brutal, tbh. Lots of the kind of caveats the sox have too many of. Yea. I didn't realize Rushing wasn't a sure thing catcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 28 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: Jimmy outside of the Cease trade compensation is there anything remotely decent to look forward to in this offseason? This team probably won't do much other than bargin signings and fliers lol idk if anyone would consider that something to look forward to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 25 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: I had no idea sox fans liked outman so much. Guy can't hit lefties, he's a high k high babip player career to date - not a great pair to have. He's fine, but I wouldn't be shocked at all if he turned into a pumpkin. I'm on record as 100% out on Joc Outman Jr! Which is/was likelier...Benintendi reverting to 2020-2022 form with the Sox or suggesting Outman ending up with a sub 2 fWAR in Chicago? It's relatively easy to predict declines. Much harder to find those players like an Adolis Garcia or Randy Arozarena that have the potential to break out and have monster performances relative to previous expectations. I mean, even Jack Parkman was at least 75-80% right on Giolito. But almost nobody recollects those 85 misses out of 100 on player evaluation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Just now, caulfield12 said: Which is/was likelier...Benintendi reverting to 2020-2022 form with the Sox or suggesting Outman ending up with a sub 2 fWAR in Chicago? It's relatively easy to predict declines. Much harder to find those players like an Adolis Garcia or Randy Arozarena that have the potential to break out and have monster performances relative to previous expectations. I mean, even Jack Parkman was at least 75-80% right on Giolito. But almost nobody recollects those 85 misses out of 100 on player evaluation. Where is that guy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 31 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Where is that guy? Self-banned...hopefully found the job he was looking for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Fansided article proposing 3 different returns from the Dodgers for Cease. Again, I'm just jonesing for names. https://dawindycity.com/2023/11/20/3-trade-packages-dodgers-white-sox-dylan-cease/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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