Is “The 78” Dead? Or even more alive? Fire announce plans for SSS

[77 Hitmen]

12 minutes ago, Snopek said:

JFC this really turned into a “teachers have it easy” thread?

I'd say more on this, but it would probably (and rightfully) get this thread locked.

Let's get back on track and argue about private equity firms, the uninhabitable dead zone known as the 78, and the virtues of the current Sox home - "There's Nothing Wrong With It" Field.  

Probably should have a separate thread for the Bears stadium saga, but this seems to have become a catch-all for all stadium proposals.

[southsider2k5]

2 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

75% of your salary when you retire ain’t bad.

When they take the money out of your check for it, it isn't a favor 

[southsider2k5]

44 minutes ago, Snopek said:

JFC this really turned into a “teachers have it easy” thread?

It shows some should have paid more attention to their teachers 

[Paulie4Pres]

Teaching might be one of the least desirable professions in the country right now. So many people love to show their ass.

[Quin]

1 hour ago, Paulie4Pres said:

Teaching might be one of the least desirable professions in the country right now. So many people love to show their ass.

The dude in this thread immediately going after teachers is a guy that is anti-clean ass, so do we want him showing his?

[WhiteSox2023]

2 hours ago, Paulie4Pres said:

Teaching might be one of the least desirable professions in the country right now. So many people love to show their ass.

I disagree.  Policeman / ICE agent takes the cake by a landslide.

Edited Sunday at 12:25 AM by WhiteSox2023

[Sambuca]

4 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I disagree.  Policeman / ICE agent takes the cake by a landslide.

This will make the conversation better.

[WhiteSox2023]

2 minutes ago, Sambuca said:

This will make the conversation better.

My son is going to college and wants to get into law enforcement.  Not very thrilled.

[chitownsportsfan]

[tray]

7 hours ago, 77 Hitmen said:

I'd say more on this, but it would probably (and rightfully) get this thread locked.

Let's get back on track and argue about private equity firms, the uninhabitable dead zone known as the 78, and the virtues of the current Sox home - "There's Nothing Wrong With It" Field.  

 

I have gone to a lot of games at Rate field with my family and friends and we always enjoy going. Have you gone to an Opening Day , let's say in the last ten years?  If  so did you have a nice time? Have you driven to games and tailgated with friends? If you go to games where do you typically sit?  You claimed there is something wrong with it so tell us why.

Regarding the "dead zone known as the 78". It sure has been a dead zone for 100 years or so. It is owned by Auchi, a convicted Iraqi felon whose  past legal issues prevent him from entering the U.S..

 https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=does+auchi+own+the+78+property%3F

Not sure why you keep promoting that dead zone.  There is nothing that would justify moving the WSox from 35th street, where our fans love to go, to an area that a lot of fans would not go.  

 

Edited Sunday at 02:40 AM by tray

[WhiteSox2023]

58 minutes ago, tray said:

I have gone to a lot of games at Rate field with my family and friends and we always enjoy going. Have you gone to an Opening Day , let's say in the last ten years?  If  so did you have a nice time? Have you driven to games and tailgated with friends? If you go to games where do you typically sit?  You claimed there is something wrong with it so tell us why.

Regarding the "dead zone known as the 78". It sure has been a dead zone for 100 years or so. It is owned by Auchi, a convicted Iraqi felon whose  past legal issues prevent him from entering the U.S..

 https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=does+auchi+own+the+78+property%3F

Not sure why you keep promoting that dead zone.  There is nothing that would justify moving the WSox from 35th street, where our fans love to go, to an area that a lot of fans would not go.  

 

I have asked you this before but I am seriously curious about it since you never answered.  Do you live near Rate Field, so it may be more convenient for you to attend games currently?  You seem biased against the idea of a new ballpark.  Or is it just the location you hate?

Edited Sunday at 03:34 AM by WhiteSox2023

[77 Hitmen]

Topic back on track.

.......you're welcome.

[The Beast]

12 hours ago, Green Line said:

Dont worry you'll get yours, its the rest of us that foot the bill.  Also pretty much everyone pays into their retirement bi weekly (if they get the opportunity to at all)

 

12 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

75% of your salary when you retire ain’t bad.

It isn’t the teachers’ faults that Illinois has $141 billion in unfunded pension liabilities, a clause that can’t reduce pensions and the fact that there don’t seem to be any politicians who want to do anything about it like Rhode Island did. Given those obligations, there’s no guarantee that teachers will get their pensions in 20 years. And this is coming from someone who wants reform on this issue that is fair to the taxpayers, retirees, my teacher friends and family members and to the nice lady who teaches math sleeping next to me.

[Snopek]

13 hours ago, tray said:

I have gone to a lot of games at Rate field with my family and friends and we always enjoy going. Have you gone to an Opening Day , let's say in the last ten years?  If  so did you have a nice time? Have you driven to games and tailgated with friends? If you go to games where do you typically sit?  You claimed there is something wrong with it so tell us why.

The park lacks character and charm, both inside and in the surrounding area. It’s just unremarkable. It’s a perfectly functional and passable place to watch a game, but that’s waaaay too low of a bar for a MLB stadium these days.

And because it’s so void of personality and buzz, it has to rely almost entirely on the game itself and/or the significance of it.

What it’s lacking matters less when there’s a built-in excitement, like on Opening Day (as you mentioned) or if the team is a contender. But a good stadium doesn’t have to rely on those rare types of occasions to generate excitement.

[southsider2k5]

12 minutes ago, Snopek said:

The park lacks character and charm, both inside and in the surrounding area. It’s just unremarkable. It’s a perfectly functional and passable place to watch a game, but that’s waaaay too low of a bar for a MLB stadium these days.

And because it’s so void of personality and buzz, it has to rely almost entirely on the game itself and/or the significance of it.

What it’s lacking matters less when there’s a built-in excitement, like on Opening Day (as you mentioned) or if the team is a contender. But a good stadium doesn’t have to rely on those rare types of occasions to generate excitement.

The Sox have essentially been in the same spot since 1910, and have one of the smallest fan bases in MLB in terms of showing up.  I cannot accept the idea that being in Bridgeport is some sort of a benefit to the White Sox.  

[The Mighty Mite]

3 hours ago, Snopek said:

The park lacks character and charm, both inside and in the surrounding area. It’s just unremarkable. It’s a perfectly functional and passable place to watch a game, but that’s waaaay too low of a bar for a MLB stadium these days.

And because it’s so void of personality and buzz, it has to rely almost entirely on the game itself and/or the significance of it.

What it’s lacking matters less when there’s a built-in excitement, like on Opening Day (as you mentioned) or if the team is a contender. But a good stadium doesn’t have to rely on those rare types of occasions to generate excitement.

I’m really old school and the only reason I would go to old Comiskey or the new ballpark was to see White Sox baseball and always thought that Comiskey was easy to get to either by car or public transportation, nothing else like restaurants or entertainment venues mattered, we were there for Baseball. Our last 25 years in the Chicago were spent in western DuPage county which was a drive but the White Sox or Blackhawks didn’t tell me to move there. I truly think there are more than a few better places in the metro area than the 78 including 35th and Shields.

Edited Sunday at 07:52 PM by The Mighty Mite

[WBWSF]

32 minutes ago, The Mighty Mite said:

I’m really old school and the only reason I would go to old Comiskey or the new ballpark was to see White Sox baseball and always thought that Comiskey was easy to get to either by car or public transportation, nothing else like restaurants or entertainment venues mattered, we were there for Baseball. Our last 25 years in the Chicago were spent in western DuPage county which was a drive but the White Sox or Blackhawks didn’t tell me to move there. I truly think there are more than a few better places in the metro area than the 78.

Where do you think is a better place for a stadium than the 78?

[The Mighty Mite]

28 minutes ago, WBWSF said:

Where do you think is a better place for a stadium than the 78?

Somewhere in the middle of the Metro area like where the Eisenhower and 294 meet.   
The thing about the 78 though close to the loop is that there is an infrastructure problem, it would be great if you’re taking public transportation to get there but driving there would be a nightmare.

 

Edited Sunday at 06:23 PM by The Mighty Mite

[ptatc]

1 hour ago, The Mighty Mite said:

Somewhere in the middle of the Metro area like where the Eisenhower and 294 meet.   
The thing about the 78 though close to the loop is that there is an infrastructure problem, it would be great if you’re taking public transportation to get there but driving there would be a nightmare.

 

Living in the south suburbs bithe comiskey and soldier field are easy to get to. It will suck when they each move. Luckily I should be out of here by then

Edited Sunday at 07:27 PM by ptatc

[tray]

Ishbia has proven to be a savvy investor. No way is he going to do anything foolish, like move the WSox away from their historic home on 35th St. and risk losing attendance, knowing that many fans loved the original Comiskey and now the current generation enjoy going to games at the Rate.  When a new stadium might be needed 10+ years down the road it would make perfect sense to build it where Comiskey stood.  What a golden opportunity to design a new ballpark and make it into something truly special (as opposed to the abomination behind the Soccer stadium that Auchi/Related depicted in their insulting, provocative, and laughable conceptual rendering).  Of course the historic location on 35th as well as the architectural history should be honored with a new stadium. The White Sox first started on 39th Street in 1900. Both Comiskey (1910) and a revamped Wrigley Field (1923) were designed by architect Zachary Taylor Davis. Beautiful red brick archwork and details at both original ballparks.

 

Then there is the discussion of the Bears relocating from historic Soldier Field into a Dome.

Halas family....Are you kidding us? Again, no  idea about of the importance of Chicago architecture, which is renowned world-wide and no respect for the history and culture of Bear fans who bundle up, tailgate, and enjoy the outdoor stadium. The Bears  owners may be hot for the additional revenue a new domed stadium might bring and nothing fans can do to stop them. OK, but over time, that might prove to be unfortunate.  Just think of a future NFL season where Lambeau Field is the only outdoor venue becoming more unique and beloved season after season. And think of the risk of moving the WSox behind a possible future rectangular warehouse style soccer stadium with all of the known limitations of that site including those that caused many prior suitors (a Casino, Amazon, U of I...) to buck out. There isn't a reason in hell to relocate to that sh1thole which makes one wonder why anyone would want to promote it. Really foolish. 

Edited Sunday at 07:48 PM by tray

[tray]

28 minutes ago, ptatc said:

Living in the south suburbs both Comiskey and Soldier Field are easy to get to. It will sick when they each move. Luckily I should be out of here by then

Number one, you aren't going anywhere fast. Stay strong my friend.  Next, think of all the people, young or old, who count on living x amount of additional years.  Life is great, enjoy each day,  but it can sometimes upset expectations of longevity.... like everything seems to be going along just fine...until one day it isn't. 

[The Mighty Mite]

27 minutes ago, tray said:

Ishbia has proven to be a savvy investor. No way is he going to do anything foolish, like move the WSox away from their historic home on 35th St. and risk losing attendance, knowing that many fans, including those who loved the original Comiskey and now those who enjoy going to games at the Rate.  When a new stadium might be needed 10+ years down the road it would make perfect sense to build it where Comiskey stood.  What a golden opportunity to design a new ballpark and make it into something truly special (as opposed to the abomination behind the Soccer stadium that Auchi/Related depicted in their insulting, provocative, and laughable conceptual rendering).  Of course the historic location on 35th as well as the architectural history should be honored with a new stadium. The White Sox first started on 39th Street in 1900. Both Comiskey (1910) and a revamped Wrigley Field (1923) were designed by architect Zachary Taylor Davis. Beautiful red brick archwork and details at both original ballparks.

Then there is the discussion of the Bears relocating from historic Soldier Field into a Dome.

Halas family....Are you kidding us? Again, no  idea about of the importance of Chicago architecture, which is renowned world-wide and no respect for the history and culture of Bear fans who bundle up, tailgate, and enjoy the outdoor stadium. The Bears  owners may be hot for the additional revenue a new domed stadium might bring and nothing fans can do to stop them. OK, but over time, that might prove to be unfortunate.  Just think of a future NFL season where Lambeau Field is the only outdoor venue becoming more unique and beloved season after season. And think of the risk of moving the WSox behind a possible future rectangular warehouse style soccer stadium with all of the known limitations of that site has and those that caused many prior suitors (a Casino, Amazon, U of I...) to buck out. There isn't a reason in hell to relocate to that sh1thole which makes one wonder why anyone would want to promote it. Really foolish. 

Love that photo of old Comiskey, the Palace would still be with us if the Comiskey family had the money that Wrigley had, Wrigley Field down through the years was maintained better than any of the old ballparks that were built in the early 20th century, that’s why along with Fenway it’s still standing.

[WBWSF]

47 minutes ago, The Mighty Mite said:

Love that photo of old Comiskey, the Palace would still be with us if the Comiskey family had the money that Wrigley had, Wrigley Field down through the years was maintained better than any of the old ballparks that were built in the early 20th century, that’s why along with Fenway it’s still standing.

I talked to a couple of the workers who were knocking Comiskey Park down. They claimed it was in such bad shape that it could have possibly collapsed in a few more years.

[77 Hitmen]

On 2/8/2026 at 10:53 AM, southsider2k5 said:

The Sox have essentially been in the same spot since 1910, and have one of the smallest fan bases in MLB in terms of showing up.  I cannot accept the idea that being in Bridgeport is some sort of a benefit to the White Sox.  

Since 1995, after the new stadium bounce wore off, the White Sox have ranked higher than 15th in MLB attendance only ONCE - that was 2006 when they were reigning WS champs.   One season in three decades.....that's it.  Even when they were playing well, they were always in the bottom half of the league.   They were actually in the bottom third of the league 19 times over this period.  Here are the numbers and they don't lie:

https://www.thebaseballcube.com/content/mlb_attendance/

The romanticized idea that they draw well at their current location if only they'd field a good team is total fan fiction.  History has shown that fielding a competitive team gets them to around 15th to 17th in attendance and only winning a World Series gets them into the top 10. Having a stadium right off the expressway and with tons of surface parking lots isn't helping attendance despite the personal anecdotes about how great it is for individual fans.   

Other than rebuilding this organization, which is priority #1, the new owners are going to have to do something about the stadium situation going forward.   There is no doubt in my mind that the incoming owners are well aware of this.

Edited Monday at 05:08 PM by 77 Hitmen

[35thstreetswarm]

28 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said:

Since 1995, after the new stadium bounce wore off, the White Sox have ranked higher than 15th in MLB attendance only ONCE - that was 2006 when they were reigning WS champs.   One season in three decades.....that's it.  Even when they were playing well, they were always in the bottom half of the league.   They were actually in the bottom third of the league 19 times over this period.  Here are the numbers and they don't lie:

https://www.thebaseballcube.com/content/mlb_attendance/

The romanticized idea that they draw well at their current location if only they'd field a good team is total fan fiction.  History has shown that fielding a competitive team gets them to around 15th to 17th in attendance and only winning a World Series gets them into the top 10. Having a stadium right off the expressway and with tons of surface parking lots isn't helping attendance despite the personal anecdotes about how great it is for individual fans.   

Other than rebuilding this organization, which is priority #1, the new owners are going to have to do something about the stadium situation going forward.   There is no doubt in my mind that the incoming owners are well aware of this.

Yes - I am as sentimental as they come, I've been going to games in Bridgeport for decades, and it would pain me a bit to see the site of so many memories lay vacant.  I would have loved if the ownership had more vision and created 35th/Shields as an entertainment destination; maybe that's still in the cards, and if it is I'd be open to listening.  But I think it's a huge stretch to suggest the current location or ballpark are drawing fans on their own.  The attendance figures reinforce that story.  A new ballpark that's still South of the Loop but more connected to downtown and other entertainment options could be a huge boon to the team and would get even this nostalgic curmudgeon excited.