Disappointing we never really got to see him play other positions in the IF but I also don’t remember ever reading anything positive about his defense since being drafted

6 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Disappointing we never really got to see him play other positions in the IF but I also don’t remember ever reading anything positive about his defense since being drafted

I don't think the Sox think he's a MLB SS. I think he probably settles in as a league average 3B, maybe a guy that hits 230/300/400 with OK defense, 1.5-3 WAR yearly.

Not sure we got the best use out of his value, but I also can see why the Sox decided to make the move. Freeing up the roster spots is being proactive there and allows some flexibility as we approach the deadline.

Sox Machine on the deal:

White Sox trade Jacob Gonzalez to Pittsburgh to boost dra...

Please bow your heads for a moment of silence to commemorate the 14-minute period where the White Sox officially had more bats than spots. After Jacob Gonzalez was optioned to Charlotte to clear a spo

3 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Pal, I don't think I'm a scout. Certainly not of amateur players. Too,s are all I'm assessing in that space.

This is bad process because of the math. A 45 FV player who is big league ready is more valuable than the 34th pick. Does it mean it can't work out? Of course not. Every team thinks they've got "a guy" that will prove them right. Fact is, it works out less often than not.

I certainly am not giving Chris Getz the benefit of the doubt.

Everyone acting like the Sox have all these draft successes under Getz are just odd. Antonacci is the one success. I like taylor but they've butchered his development. I obviously think Caleb will be awesome but he hasn't been yet. I understand it hasn't been a long time so hard to judge yet, but I'd like to see some actual results first from drafts before I'm singing these praises.

They've already given Mead away from free to have him have a 124 wRC+.

This will be my last post on the topic. I've spent too many word on it.

How exactly did they butcher Taylor's development ? He's a successful high leverage RP at a young age.

Unless you assume a whole lot of success as a starting pitcher, which is a grand assumption, he's doing just fine.

The Sox know they need starting pitching. Pretty sure they don't make those decisions lightly. He's had arm injuries and the Sox were trying to protect his arm and that side of it has worked work well as well as the success on the field this year.

At this point it's difficult to imagine him regaining a starting role but at least he's healthy and productive.

11 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

How exactly did they butcher Taylor's development ? He's a successful high leverage RP at a young age.

Unless you assume a whole lot of success as a starting pitcher, which is a grand assumption, he's doing just fine.

The Sox know they need starting pitching. Pretty sure they don't make those decisions lightly. He's had arm injuries and the Sox were trying to protect his arm and that side of it has worked work well as well as the success on the field this year.

At this point it's difficult to imagine him regaining a starting role but at least he's healthy and productive.

The guy's shitting on the #34 pick, historically; he should take a look at what has been drafted at #51. LOL. Barry Larkin, then a lot of nothing. If the Sox get a good back end reliever out of that slot, they killed it.

3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

This is only selling high if you don’t believe in the player. As I mentioned in my last post, two years of mediocre Gavin Lux returned a Comp A prospect and a decent prospect. With any extended stretch of productive major league play and Jacob’s value exponentially increases. And while he’s blocked right now, any injury to an infielder or Benintendi and he’s a regular once again.

If Getz & Fuller don’t think Jacob can sustain what he’s showed in Charlotte and the majors over the past couple of weeks, then I agree this is selling high. But to me, this feels like we’re overpaying for an asset he had to have for reasons unknown vs. not believing in the player. If we were really trying to sell high, we’d have waited until after the draft when more teams are engage.

This was bound to happen eventually. Success leads to an over abundance at times. Gonzalez is 24 and 25/26 is the age where you become like Tristan Peters and Peters had defensive value and speed. What happens with Gonzalez with the Pirates is more crucial to how he turns out than his time with the Sox. He doesn't exactly have a permanent position with the Pirates either. Every day he sits on an MLB bench or goes back to the minors his clock is running on hitting and fielding at a level necessary at his position to stay on the field.

Hahn had his Tatis blunder. Let's hope Getz doesn't have one that equals that when deciding who to keep and who to trade. Bu teams with a lot of talent eventually trade away talent at which they only got a fleeting glance . Mead and Gonzalez fit that description . How they perform vs how the ones the Sox decide to keep is crucial to the sustainability of the prospect pipeline and success on the field.

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It was like 5 seconds ago that teams weren't willing to trade young bats because they were so valuable, and now dumping a young bat with position flexibility, including the middle infield, for a guy who you hope will be as good as Gonzalez is today, is a slam dunk? I feel like Gonzalez could have been a piece in a deal for an SP based on the last few deadlines, so to see him go NOW for hope 3-5 years down the road is just strange.

17 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

The guy's shitting on the #34 pick, historically; he should take a look at what has been drafted at #51. LOL. Barry Larkin, then a lot of nothing. If the Sox get a good back end reliever out of that slot, they killed it.

And just to be clear, you're pointing out Taylor was a 2nd round pick at #51 which I should have done, so thank you for that. Plus he crapped on the guys who said we've had better success in the draft with Shirley and more picks after the 1st round being developed. I didn't mention Taylor before but he is one of them and it's because he had injury history and the Sox have rightfully babied his arm.

Edited yesterday at 05:41 PM1 day by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

In. Getz we trust

7 minutes ago, The Grinder said:

In. Getz we trust

I do have a lot of respect for him. I just hope Jerry isn’t weighing on him today

Woods was having a good year at AA Altoona. He's been pounded at AAA Indy but its only been 11 innings.

3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

It was like 5 seconds ago that teams weren't willing to trade young bats because they were so valuable, and now dumping a young bat with position flexibility, including the middle infield, for a guy who you hope will be as good as Gonzalez is today, is a slam dunk? I feel like Gonzalez could have been a piece in a deal for an SP based on the last few deadlines, so to see him go NOW for hope 3-5 years down the road is just strange.

Just came here to see if anyone made this point and you did not disappoint, Thanks.

18 hours ago, chitown87 said:

Hate it. Totally agree with Ray Ray’s thoughts in the other thread.

At least the Sox got Thome’s son with the pick from the Gonzo trade. Regardless, Gonzo was a #1 pick and was coming around….

6 minutes ago, hankchifan said:

At least the Sox got Thome’s son with the pick from the Gonzo trade. Regardless, Gonzo was a #1 pick and was coming around….

I don’t think Gonzalez is going to be a superstar but from a pure value standpoint, Ray Ray is probably right.

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8 hours ago, TheFutureIsNear said:

No denying there’s a chance this ends up looking real bad in a few years, but I do think it makes sense from an organizational standpoint. There’s just no room in the IF for Gonzalez to play and thinking his bat will be enough as a full time 1B/DH is probably a stretch.

I just hope this trade isn’t specifically to acquire Thome as some are speculating. That screams the organization hasn’t turned the corner from Jerry’s same old ways as much as I hoped

Sox did acquire Thome today with the 34 th pick acquired.

Jesse Rogers was on the radio broadcast for a bit today and he said that 2 different people (one in the organization and one outside of the organization) used the word fearless when describing Chris Getz. That tells me this is not the first head scratching move we see from Getzy....I just hope he is right more often than he is wrong.

Is Billy Carlson the trade chip now to get some pitching?

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3 hours ago, Chick Mercedes said:

I do have a lot of respect for him. I just hope Jerry isn’t weighing on him today

Yeah I think JR said "we draft Thome's kid". You know JR's loyalty to certain people. Loyalty to the fans and the White Sox?............ f***"em!

Jerry, Jerry, Jerry.

Once again, why is everyone acting like Thome wasn't even ranked?! He was in the top 40 on MLB Pipeline. He was going to go play at FSU. You are acting like they drafted one of Ozzie's kids who sucked.

Eisert made his Pirates debut, came in with a runner on 2nd and 2 outs. Walked two to load the bases, but got a ground ball to get out of it.

Gonzo is on the active roster but not starting.

4 hours ago, Chick Mercedes said:

I do have a lot of respect for him. I just hope Jerry isn’t weighing on him today

Yep. I think it's possible Jerry told him to do anything it takes to get Landon.

5 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

This was bound to happen eventually. Success leads to an over abundance at times. Gonzalez is 24 and 25/26 is the age where you become like Tristan Peters and Peters had defensive value and speed. What happens with Gonzalez with the Pirates is more crucial to how he turns out than his time with the Sox. He doesn't exactly have a permanent position with the Pirates either. Every day he sits on an MLB bench or goes back to the minors his clock is running on hitting and fielding at a level necessary at his position to stay on the field.

Hahn had his Tatis blunder. Let's hope Getz doesn't have one that equals that when deciding who to keep and who to trade. Bu teams with a lot of talent eventually trade away talent at which they only got a fleeting glance . Mead and Gonzalez fit that description . How they perform vs how the ones the Sox decide to keep is crucial to the sustainability of the prospect pipeline and success on the field.

Mead and Gonzalez are different situations. We would never have had Mead had Getz not signed Hauser and flipped him for Mead. Can't blame Getz for Mead as we'd have never had Mead, but for Getz, I also think it's possible that had we kept Mead, Peters might have been squeezed out. I didn't like Mead much, but I was wrong.
Gonzalez was the Sox all along; and he might turn into a really productive player. But I think it's pretty obvious that he wasn't on Getz' & Co.'s A-list (sending him down was the final sign). So they got something for him. Tatis - they got nothing. The Samardzija deal (which might have been worse) - 1 year of an average pitcher. At least Thome might be good.

I do like the flip of relief pitchers, and the 40-man relief.

2 hours ago, PaleAleSox said:

Once again, why is everyone acting like Thome wasn't even ranked?! He was in the top 40 on MLB Pipeline. He was going to go play at FSU. You are acting like they drafted one of Ozzie's kids who sucked.

Agreed. There was talk the last couple of weeks that he could get picked in the 20's. Front offices like guys with bloodlines. Just look around the league right now.

2 hours ago, PaleAleSox said:

Once again, why is everyone acting like Thome wasn't even ranked?! He was in the top 40 on MLB Pipeline. He was going to go play at FSU. You are acting like they drafted one of Ozzie's kids who sucked.

Remember when they drafted Kenny Williams kid"