southsider2k5 Posted January 5, 2012 Author Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 02:41 PM) Not even an allusion to it? I won't be buying that. How long did it take us to find out about the Rios incident in the clubhouse? Swisher's nighttime habits. Hell no reporter has even started to mention it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 03:28 PM) You're really Balta-ing this conversation. I didn't say that someone would write an entire article about it, but if there are rumors out there that this happened, you don't think a single line in one article by the dozens of baseball writers in Chicago or a twitter post or anything would appear? There needs to be more graphs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 02:42 PM) Balta-ing? Was that word/phrase recently added to the SoxTalk lexicon? Can I second "Lawrence, Kansas-ing" the conversation? You can make it even shorter and call it "Lawrence Polling" or "Lawrence Polled". Lawrence Polling shows the Quentin to Padres deal to be a head-scratcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 03:31 PM) You can make it even shorter and call it "Lawrence Polling" or "Lawrence Polled". Lawrence Polling shows the Quentin to Padres deal to be a head-scratcher. Maybe Lawrence Market Survey? Lawrence Surveying...? Lawrence Market Analysis/Customer Feedback? Polling almost makes it sounds like the name of some cricket player from Australia or New Zealand. What's that thing they do on CNN right after the primary and presidential debates...? There's a specific term for it that eludes me at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 instapoll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 03:42 PM) Can I second "Lawrence, Kansas-ing" the conversation? QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 04:31 PM) You can make it even shorter and call it "Lawrence Polling" or "Lawrence Polled". Lawrence Polling shows the Quentin to Padres deal to be a head-scratcher. QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 07:32 PM) Maybe Lawrence Market Survey? Lawrence Surveying...? Lawrence Market Analysis/Customer Feedback? Polling almost makes it sounds like the name of some cricket player from Australia or New Zealand. What's that thing they do on CNN right after the primary and presidential debates...? There's a specific term for it that eludes me at the moment. QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 6, 2012 -> 12:57 PM) instapoll Lo-Po? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 JayCaucusing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 06:32 PM) Maybe Lawrence Market Survey? Lawrence Surveying...? Lawrence Market Analysis/Customer Feedback? Polling almost makes it sounds like the name of some cricket player from Australia or New Zealand. What's that thing they do on CNN right after the primary and presidential debates...? There's a specific term for it that eludes me at the moment. Exit Poll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jan 6, 2012 -> 03:25 PM) Exit Poll? What would be really fun is to get a Facebook group of random sports fans in the Kansas City and Lawrence areas together and ask their opinions of random White Sox moves and see what, if any, reaction they have to them. Not just about Ozzie Guillen, but other more significant moves that would register on the sports radar, like Ventura being named manager. Thankfully, the Cardinals copied our idea (after winning a World Series) so the heat won't be as extreme on Williams as it will be on Mozeliak if it fails to work out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Who has done a better job this offseason, Cubs or Sox? Hard to compare apples and oranges, but seems like Epstein has gotten some good prospects not to mention Rizzo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Jan 7, 2012 -> 07:07 PM) Who has done a better job this offseason, Cubs or Sox? Hard to compare apples and oranges, but seems like Epstein has gotten some good prospects not to mention Rizzo. Sox only because the Cubs are the Cubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Jan 7, 2012 -> 08:07 PM) Who has done a better job this offseason, Cubs or Sox? Hard to compare apples and oranges, but seems like Epstein has gotten some good prospects not to mention Rizzo. If the roles were completely reversed, everyone would be saying what a stellar job Theo had done by keeping Danks around while still stocking up on pitching prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 7, 2012 -> 07:20 PM) If the roles were completely reversed, everyone would be saying what a stellar job Theo had done by keeping Danks around while still stocking up on pitching prospects. THANK YOU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 7, 2012 -> 08:37 PM) THANK YOU. Meanwhile, we'd be furious that we gave up on Zambrainless, paid the entire bill, and only got back a guy who might be non-tendered at the end of next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Jan 7, 2012 -> 09:07 PM) Who has done a better job this offseason, Cubs or Sox? Hard to compare apples and oranges, but seems like Epstein has gotten some good prospects not to mention Rizzo. I would probably say the Sox, but the Cubs havent really traded anything of signicant value. Marshall was their best piece, and I would value Santos and Quentin above him. However despite that, they still brought back the person of most value (Rizzo). So I don't know, that's a tough call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Everything hinges on Molina - hard to say if Rizzo was a better haul for Cashner than Molina was for Santos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jan 7, 2012 -> 09:06 PM) I would probably say the Sox, but the Cubs havent really traded anything of signicant value. Marshall was their best piece, and I would value Santos and Quentin above him. However despite that, they still brought back the person of most value (Rizzo). So I don't know, that's a tough call. Back to Moneyball. DH/1B/corner OFer's are much more easily replaced than C, SS/2B, CF. If you want to value Rizzo (still) as one of the best prospects in baseball, then the combination of Castro and Molina trumps that. We got rid of the Teahen mistake, and got a potentially very useful piece back in Zach Stewart. You never know, but there's a distinct possibility that Stewart (back in a relief role), Hernandez and Addison Reed might more than end up compensating for the losses of Santos and Frasor. We (along with the rest of baseball since june/july '11) knew that Carlos Quentin had to go, too. You can complain all u want about losing Jackson and Buehrle, but there's also now the possibility of getting a pretty good haul back for Floyd and buying a "place holder" in the 5th spot to get us through 2012 while Molina, Castro, Axelrod, Petricka and Santiago all pitch their way onto the Top 5 prospect lists for the Sox. Sale at his upside trumps anything Buehrle could have done at 1/15th the cost. Viciedo is much cheaper than Quentin. We took someone we spent $25-50,000 on in Sergio Santos and leveraged him into a #2/3 starter for six years under cost control. If that move works out, and Castro/Stewart make it as the 4th/5th starter/s, then we've made up a lot of the ground we lost with Hudson and Gonzalez. There's no guarantees Gio could have succeeded at USCF. Plus we acquired Humber for absolutely nothing and we might have a #3/4 guy for the next 4 seasons. KW >>> Epstein/Hoyer If KW traded Beckham now or made a Zambrano move with Rios/Dunn and gave up 85% of their contracts, everyone would be screaming bloody murder...waiting until Dunn (especially) and Rios made the All-Star team in 2012 to say what a stupid move it was to sell both those guys for pennies on the dollar. Edited January 8, 2012 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 7, 2012 -> 10:45 PM) Back to Moneyball. DH/1B/corner OFer's are much more easily replaced than C, SS/2B, CF. If you want to value Rizzo (still) as one of the best prospects in baseball, then the combination of Castro and Molina trumps that. We got rid of the Teahen mistake, and got a potentially very useful piece back in Zach Stewart. You never know, but there's a distinct possibility that Stewart (back in a relief role), Hernandez and Addison Reed might more than end up compensating for the losses of Santos and Frasor. We knew that Carlos Quentin had go to. You can complain all u want about losing Jackson and Buehrle, but there's also now the possibility of getting a pretty good haul back for Floyd and buying a "place holder" in the 5th spot to get us through 2012 while Molina, Castro, Axelrod, Petricka and Santiago all pitch their way onto the Top 5 prospect lists for the Sox. Sale at his upside trumps anything Buehrle could have done at 1/15th the cost. Viciedo is much cheaper than Quentin. We took someone we spent $25-50,000 on in Sergio Santos and leveraged him into a #2/3 starter for six years under cost control. If that move works out, and Castro/Stewart make it as the 4th/5th starter/s, then we've made up a lot of the ground we lost with Hudson and Gonzalez. There's no guarantees Gio could have succeeded at USCF. Plus we acquired Humber for absolutely nothing and we might have a #3/4 guy for the next 4 seasons. KW >>> Epstein/Hoyer If KW traded Beckham now or made a Zambrano move with Rios/Dunn and gave up 85% of their contracts, everyone would be screaming bloody murder...waiting until Dunn (especially) and Rios made the All-Star team in 2012 to say what a stupid move it was to sell both those guys for pennies on the dollar. Well said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 7, 2012 -> 09:45 PM) Back to Moneyball. DH/1B/corner OFer's are much more easily replaced than C, SS/2B, CF. If you want to value Rizzo (still) as one of the best prospects in baseball, then the combination of Castro and Molina trumps that. We got rid of the Teahen mistake, and got a potentially very useful piece back in Zach Stewart. You never know, but there's a distinct possibility that Stewart (back in a relief role), Hernandez and Addison Reed might more than end up compensating for the losses of Santos and Frasor. We knew that Carlos Quentin had go to. You can complain all u want about losing Jackson and Buehrle, but there's also now the possibility of getting a pretty good haul back for Floyd and buying a "place holder" in the 5th spot to get us through 2012 while Molina, Castro, Axelrod, Petricka and Santiago all pitch their way onto the Top 5 prospect lists for the Sox. Sale at his upside trumps anything Buehrle could have done at 1/15th the cost. Viciedo is much cheaper than Quentin. We took someone we spent $25-50,000 on in Sergio Santos and leveraged him into a #2/3 starter for six years under cost control. If that move works out, and Castro/Stewart make it as the 4th/5th starter/s, then we've made up a lot of the ground we lost with Hudson and Gonzalez. There's no guarantees Gio could have succeeded at USCF. Plus we acquired Humber for absolutely nothing and we might have a #3/4 guy for the next 4 seasons. KW >>> Epstein/Hoyer If KW traded Beckham now or made a Zambrano move with Rios/Dunn and gave up 85% of their contracts, everyone would be screaming bloody murder...waiting until Dunn (especially) and Rios made the All-Star team in 2012 to say what a stupid move it was to sell both those guys for pennies on the dollar. Couldn't agree more with this. It'll be interesting to see how all these arms pan out. I'm actually excited for some youth insurgence on this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 KW will be a lot better than Epstein over the next 5 seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 (edited) Epstein has the huge financial advantage to eat contracts like Zambrano's and bring in more big name FA's...plus the possibility of revenues generated from a new/retrofitted stadium, but, all things considered, the balance of moves should end up in KW's favor... I truly believe with Ozzie gone, with Hahn still there, Paddy and Ventura, the FO will start to function much more smoothly and efficiently, working together as a team instead of at loggerheads. Edited January 8, 2012 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 8, 2012 -> 01:42 AM) Epstein has the huge financial advantage to eat contracts like Zambrano's and bring in more big name FA's...plus the possibility of revenues generated from a new/retrofitted stadium, but, all things considered, the balance of moves should end up in KW's favor... Epstein really doesn't have anything resembling the financial advantage he had in Boston. In Boston, it took $100 million worth of bad contracts to really damage the roster, on the North side he can be beaten by $20 million in bad contracts. And "new revenues" are going to be a long time coming at best. The advantage they might have is that they're still going to sell 35k seats even if they win 65 games next year. So they can afford to eat Zambrano's contract, but they can't build upon that by signing a big name replacement or getting someone to give him a big name replacement for free like he could in Boston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Would be interesting to see how close the Cubs or White Sox would be to making a bid in the vicinity of $50 million for Cespedes. Both teams desperately need a future superstar, especially the Sox...but neither can afford a "hit and miss" of that magnitude in the rebuilding process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Per MLBTR, Blue Jays designate Mark Teahen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 I like every move Hoyer/Epstein have made this winter. I don't think you can compare their moves and KW's moves apples to apples. FWIW, I like the thought process behind all of KW's moves too, which is really all I can ask for, since I don't know how good they think the prospects are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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