TaylorStSox Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 31, 2012 -> 12:48 PM) You might want to revisit this thread. http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...t=0&start=0 So it's okay for a poster to go off on some conspiracy laden tangent as if the Sox are so inept that they're not trying to protect their most valuable asset, but it's not okay to tell a crybaby to quit crying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jul 31, 2012 -> 01:34 PM) So it's okay for a poster to go off on some conspiracy laden tangent as if the Sox are so inept that they're not trying to protect their most valuable asset, but it's not okay to tell a crybaby to quit crying? No, it isnt. So stop insulting people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 31, 2012 -> 01:35 PM) No, it isnt. So stop insulting people. I understand. I just wouldn't think you guys would want the site to resemble sports talk radio or a post game call in show. I'll stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 31, 2012 Author Share Posted July 31, 2012 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jul 31, 2012 -> 01:39 PM) I understand. I just wouldn't think you guys would want the site to resemble sports talk radio or a post game call in show. I'll stop. Really, because instead of insulting people, you are insulting the site instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 QUOTE (scenario @ Jul 31, 2012 -> 12:00 PM) I spent a few minutes looking on medical sites for treatment of this type of injury. Seems physical therapy is the first option. Surgery is not normally recommended for Grade 1 unless physical therapy doesn't provide results. Time period for therapy was described as normally 6-8 weeks. If he requires arthroscopic surgery, it says the normal recovery time would be 3-6 months. This is all true. However, I'm still skeptical if this is the actual problem. The did an ultrasound after the MRI. As I stated in a different thread, these are usually for muscle injuries not tendon. I think this case is one that no one really knows what's going on so they rested and rehabbed it to see if it would help. If it does, he'll pitch again. If it doesn't they'll do surgery. Most of the time, this type of ambiguous pain comes from overall shoulder instability. In a pitcher typically the "looseness" focuses in the anterior part of the shoulder and begins to degenerate tissue in this area. This could explain the original Subscapularis findings. The grade 1 tears show as fluid in the area as it's only a minor tear. General degeneration will show up like this as well. My guess is that if can't continue to throw they will do surgery to tighten up the joint capsule and "clean up" anything else they find. The only real danger of this is if they tighten up the capsule too much it isn't flexible enough. If they don't tighten it up enough, the joint is still too loose. It can be tricky. Either way if they do surgery anytime before Oct. he should be ready to go in spring Training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 31, 2012 -> 08:45 PM) This is all true. However, I'm still skeptical if this is the actual problem. The did an ultrasound after the MRI. As I stated in a different thread, these are usually for muscle injuries not tendon. I think this case is one that no one really knows what's going on so they rested and rehabbed it to see if it would help. If it does, he'll pitch again. If it doesn't they'll do surgery. Most of the time, this type of ambiguous pain comes from overall shoulder instability. In a pitcher typically the "looseness" focuses in the anterior part of the shoulder and begins to degenerate tissue in this area. This could explain the original Subscapularis findings. The grade 1 tears show as fluid in the area as it's only a minor tear. General degeneration will show up like this as well. My guess is that if can't continue to throw they will do surgery to tighten up the joint capsule and "clean up" anything else they find. The only real danger of this is if they tighten up the capsule too much it isn't flexible enough. If they don't tighten it up enough, the joint is still too loose. It can be tricky. Either way if they do surgery anytime before Oct. he should be ready to go in spring Training. Would a full recovery be expected? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 31, 2012 -> 03:47 PM) Would a full recovery be expected? That's the part where they would need to tighten it up just right to maintain enough flexibility yet increase the stability. Most often he would fully recover but it is less of a guarantee than if they knew what the damaged tissue was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Scott Merkin @scottmerkin Danks to have season ending surgery. More to come on http://MLB.com Surgery on Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Gonzales just tweeted that Danks will have surgery Monday. He's done for the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jul 31, 2012 -> 05:18 PM) Scott Merkin @scottmerkin Danks to have season ending surgery. More to come on http://MLB.com Surgery on Monday. Ouch. Thanks for 163 Johnny boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 John Danks has been ruled out for the remainder of the 2012 season due to ongoing shoulder issues. Danks was not making swift enough progress in his rehab and will undergo shoulder surgery on Monday. There's no guarantee that he'll be back to 100 percent health for the start of spring training next February. The left-hander posted a 5.70 ERA and 1.49 WHIP this season. He struck out 30 batters in 53 2/3 innings. Per Rotoworld Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 29, 2012 -> 09:03 PM) I don't think Hawk knows s***. But yes, Danks = mental midget just like everyone else. Never doubt the Hawkeroo. If Hawk says he's having surgery, you're just going have to stick it in your pocket he's having surgery. I don't think KW wanted everyone to know what most presumed. Edited July 31, 2012 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 31, 2012 -> 06:34 PM) Never doubt the Hawkeroo. If Hawk says he's having surgery, you're just going have to stick it in your pocket he's having surgery. I don't think KW wanted everyone to know what most presumed. Yeah, maybe Kenny WAS working on getting a SP, and you don't want to appear desperate if it comes out you are losing a pitcher for the rest of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Good chance he's going to miss a significant chunk of 2013 as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jul 31, 2012 -> 06:55 PM) Good chance he's going to miss a significant chunk of 2013 as well. Based on what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Surgery next week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 They know what's wrong yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Danks to have 'exploratory' surgery... are they looking for gold? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jul 31, 2012 -> 05:18 PM) Scott Merkin @scottmerkin Danks to have season ending surgery. More to come on http://MLB.com Surgery on Monday. I can't say I didn't see that coming. It sucks with the team in contention and him having just signed that contract. Hopefully this is the reason he struggled and 2011 and sucked in 2012, so he can come back for the next 4 years and be the John Danks of old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 My level of surprise is negative one million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Not doubting, just asking for a source to check for more details? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 31, 2012 Author Share Posted July 31, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 31, 2012 -> 06:22 PM) Not doubting, just asking for a source to check for more details? It is all over twitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 31, 2012 -> 07:24 PM) It is all over twitter. (It was a new thread with no source in it, I just merged them and found lots of sources). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 31, 2012 -> 03:45 PM) This is all true. However, I'm still skeptical if this is the actual problem. The did an ultrasound after the MRI. As I stated in a different thread, these are usually for muscle injuries not tendon. I think this case is one that no one really knows what's going on so they rested and rehabbed it to see if it would help. If it does, he'll pitch again. If it doesn't they'll do surgery. Most of the time, this type of ambiguous pain comes from overall shoulder instability. In a pitcher typically the "looseness" focuses in the anterior part of the shoulder and begins to degenerate tissue in this area. This could explain the original Subscapularis findings. The grade 1 tears show as fluid in the area as it's only a minor tear. General degeneration will show up like this as well. My guess is that if can't continue to throw they will do surgery to tighten up the joint capsule and "clean up" anything else they find. The only real danger of this is if they tighten up the capsule too much it isn't flexible enough. If they don't tighten it up enough, the joint is still too loose. It can be tricky.Either way if they do surgery anytime before Oct. he should be ready to go in spring Training. PTATC with the diagnosis this afternoon... and Kenny makes the call less than two hours later. The power of Soxtalk. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 It surprises me that with MRI, CT, etc. doctors still have to do "exploratory surgery" to figure out what is wrong with someone's shoulder. What I worry about is that Danks' problems are shoulder problems. The list of pitchers who have come back from shoulder surgeries successfully is a LOT shorter than those who have come back from elbow surgeries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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