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People are obssessed with extensions. I'd rather have the next 1.5 years of data on him and pay market price (which we can certainly afford) than lock into him for some 4 for $30 number which isn't prohibitive but would also still be annoying if he turns back to a .650 ops catcher.

I'm going to remain optimistic on Madrigal. He's got the makeup to get to the most of his abilities. That and I will not become one of those overly negative shit on everything SoxTalk posters. That being said, his hitting has been very disappointing so far.

He's evolving

Nope, Eaton being a better player for the 2016 White Sox means jack shit and I’m glad Frazier shoved his ass into a locker for being a loud-mouth, stupid douche.

Nova gave up 3 runs in 7 innings, that is not bad

Eloy? Dude, c’mon.

Just imagine if he is a true #2. What a jolt to the system, especially if Kopech and Cease turn into what we think.

98 pitches? Send him out there for the CG shutout. Short leash.

Hahaha, that catch by Eloy is the perfect topper for tonight.

Giolito is a guy I would loooooove to see as a color guy after his hall of fame career is over

@Goober is the man. Bite your tongue

This seems like an odd time to go off against this year's version of the Sox, after possibly their most cromulent performance of the year last night and a good looking Giolito on the mound tonight

I will promise to not worry about him for the entire time that people will promise to stop saying that he should be rushed to the big leagues or be our starting 2b sometime in 2020. I think this is a fair trade.

Giolito 9 inning complete game. Let's get it.

He better start hitting some HR's then in a hurry because he's not going to get those AB's needed to vest that option.

You love the word cromulent

I think we need to consider that maybe he's so much more productive because he hasn't been an everyday catcher.

I just wish he was playing every day. Playing Castillo every other day has been for the birds.

Yeah man, you should chill out a bit.

This coming from the guy that saw a good pitcher in a terrible pitcher in Giolito. You don't even get to see any of these kids. And that's just what many of them are , kids.When we were their ages we were doing bong hits and learning why we shouldn't drink so much.

Actually it was his high school coach LOL

Giolito OP

Ayo! Cough Cough! Called it.

The bunting is driving me fucking crazy

I think McCann has a lot to do with it. A catcher who calls a great game and has the confidence of the staff is invaluable. It was an incredibly underrated part of AJP's game.

Holy shit now he's breaking out the curveball. I have a pitching boner

2 hits given up against this lineup in this ballpark through 5. 🤤

Parkman is talking about this year. Kopech was hurt last year...

Sox went into this season knowing he won‘t play though.

No, you're not. The Ump has two different zones.

I don't know what to tell you if you've looked at our starting pitching options this year

Jimmy Lambo excites me

People are panicking way too much on Madrigal. The sad reality for us is Chris Getz and his player development staff suck and that means it will always take longer for guys to figure shit out. The fact that Madrigal still has elite bat to ball skills means he’s some moderate adjustments away from being a high average hitter. That won’t make him a star but hopefully a an above average regular when you factor in plus defense and very good base running ability.

Shields had a good move.

SEC pitcher topping out at 90 mph? Sign Hostetler up.

I'd wait on that. He's a career sub .250 hitter with sub .300 obp.

that's the starting pitching mostly. hard to look good when you got three 5th starters (and borderline for a couple of those guys) in your rotation.

Why? He’s not a pending free agent

Only if he is willing to take a low ball offer offer like 4/25 which he won’t.

I keep forgetting we have three shit spots in the rotation. Yeah, might need to keep Nova around depending on Banuelos looks when he comes back.

Games like this fuels optimism. We need more of them. At this point, the left side of the field is set with Eloy, Moncada and Anderson. Then there is McCann. Now they need the rest of the team.

Jesus, dude.

Love DJ. I really enjoy his commentary, reminds me a lot of Stone actually. Very knowledgeable about the game and I hope he sticks around for a long time. Ed, I still enjoy listening to him only for nostalgic purposes. I wouldn't really miss him when he goes. He does have great homerun calls and I enjoy it when he gets excited about the game. Like the previous poster said, I think there is some to be desired in the PBP category...and Ed's age is definitely showing.

I agree. There is a very good chance that Madrigal never makes it past AA.

This is complaining about Ricky just to complain

I saw a tweet today from the WS about how today is the first time Cease and Eloy have been teammates since the trade. It sent me down a google hole, and I realized that it had been about 2 years since the big 3 white flag trades. Most of the major pieces have either arrived or are one the cusp of hitting the majors (Sorry Basabe fans). As such, it seems like a great time to revisit them and guess which of the 3 trades ends up getting us the most, and which ends up the best for us. I compiled the stats of all the players below to make it a bit easier. IMO, the Sale trade will produce the most for us (I love Eloy, but I really think he is a DH which limits his impact). However, Sale put up a couple amazing seasons for Boston, so I think the Eaton trade may end up being the most lopsided for us. What do ya'll think? (ALSO: Yes, the Shields trade sucked, not the topic here though. Don't be the asshole who derails this with a Hahn rant, we already have threads for that.)

What's even more of an indictment of the organization is that the manager Robin Ventura let this crap go on without doing a damn thing apparently.

I didn’t vote this way, but if you really believe in Giolito’s start to the year with the changes he’s made, you could argue he’s headed to being a number 2 starter. That’s pretty valuable. Hell, Keith Law might pick option two. Bonus: right now those guys are our entire starting rotation. Giolito and ReyLo and pray for rainouts?

Especially considering the hit rate on the trades. Moncada was as close as to a sure thing as can be, as the #1 prospect and already at AAA, but the rest had real risks. Gio and Lopez already had MLB time, but both had lost some prospect shine and came with asterisks (Gio especially). For everyone else, there was a lot of pedigree but no one was even at AA yet. Out of the 8 legit prospects we got in return, 5 are already in the MLB, Cease is all but guaranteed to get there and Basabe/Dunning still have outside shots. Those main 6 all still have at least a small chance to be All-stars at some point in their career, and it looks like at least a couple will end up as foundational players. That is 75% of a rebuild right there, and way better conversion on prospects than I expected.