ptatc Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 42 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: Head 2 head. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 20 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: FG is 96.6%, Sox are now 6th best odds. They have actually passed Cleveland, even though the Sox are a half game behind them. Bref is at 93.7%, and 7th best odds overall. This is all I need to see to say that the expanded playoff thing absolutely cannot continue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 1 minute ago, mqr said: This is all I need to see to say that the expanded playoff thing absolutely cannot continue. I love for this year especially, it gives us a free playoff run. When we become division favorites it can go back to the old way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, mqr said: This is all I need to see to say that the expanded playoff thing absolutely cannot continue. Its just such a shitty situation for the top seeds. In a 162 game season, you go 110-52 and then lose 2 of game2 to a team that went 79-83 in the 1/8 seed game and POOF - season over. Dumb. It works for this season. But it will be a travesty if this structure continues after 2020. Edited August 25, 2020 by ChiSox59 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Just now, ChiSox59 said: Its just such a shitty situation for the top seeds. In a 162 game season, you go 110-52 and then lose 2/3 game to a team that went 79-83 in the 1/8 game and POOF - season over. Dumb. It works for this season. But it will be a travesty if this structure continues after 2020. It's more that it's removed any and all tension from the tail end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, mqr said: It's more that it's removed any and all tension from the tail end of the season. September baseball is so bad 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, mqr said: It's more that it's removed any and all tension from the tail end of the season. That too, but I certainly wouldn't say that is the biggest weakness. There will still be some tension for the last couple spots the last weekend of the season, I would guess. It just in general makes the regular season pointless. In baseball any team can with a 3 game series. To work all season to win your division, and then have to play some upstart 8 seed in a 3 game series is just terrible structure. I've always felt that the first round should be 7 games pre-covid season rules. IF you're going to do any sort of playoff expansion, it should be 3 division winners and 3 wild card. Top 2 records of the division winners get byes. Division winner #3 vs WC #3, WC #1 vs. WC #2 in a 5 game series. Division winner #1 gets to pick their opponent in the next round. Only real negative to that is that the best two teams in each league have to sit around for a week, which is tough in baseball. I think you'd also have to try to go to a more balanced schedule if you did this. Edited August 25, 2020 by ChiSox59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, mqr said: It's more that it's removed any and all tension from the tail end of the season. That is because of the dumb rule that 2nd place finishers get seeds 4 through 6. 2nd place finishers can make the playoffs this year, but that should be their only reward. After the division winners, seeds should be based on record. If they were, the races for home field would be a lot more fun to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, bmags said: September baseball is so bad cutting out the 40 man expansion should solve that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 (edited) Quote Ties will be broken by head-to-head record, followed by better record within a team's division and record in last 20 games within the division. If there is still a tie, the standard would be last 21 games within a division, then 22, etc. Friday's game with the Royals is game 20 in the division, so if it went to a fourth tiebreaker scenario, that game is technically big, Edited August 25, 2020 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Twins 20-12 Indians 19-12 White Sox 19-12 Yankees lost twice today, that could help in the seeding eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 1 hour ago, flavum said: Twins 20-12 Indians 19-12 White Sox 19-12 Crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 On 8/25/2020 at 8:24 AM, bmags said: September baseball is so bad That's heretical! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 98.1%. They need to finish 8-21 or better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox1917 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 On 8/25/2020 at 11:25 AM, ChiSox59 said: That too, but I certainly wouldn't say that is the biggest weakness. There will still be some tension for the last couple spots the last weekend of the season, I would guess. It just in general makes the regular season pointless. In baseball any team can with a 3 game series. To work all season to win your division, and then have to play some upstart 8 seed in a 3 game series is just terrible structure. I've always felt that the first round should be 7 games pre-covid season rules. IF you're going to do any sort of playoff expansion, it should be 3 division winners and 3 wild card. Top 2 records of the division winners get byes. Division winner #3 vs WC #3, WC #1 vs. WC #2 in a 5 game series. Division winner #1 gets to pick their opponent in the next round. Only real negative to that is that the best two teams in each league have to sit around for a week, which is tough in baseball. I think you'd also have to try to go to a more balanced schedule if you did this. There should be no expansion of playoff teams until theres expansion to 32 teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox1917 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Also, how are the angels so bad??? They were picked by a lot of pundits early on to be a potential wildcard team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 On 8/25/2020 at 9:46 AM, ptatc said: Thanks. The ALC race right now is the best one to be had and the Sox are the great unknown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Seven AL teams with a 97.5% or higher chance of making the playoffs, plus Blue Jays with 65%. Are we really rooting for seeding? Empty parks and no re-seeding after the first round (that you can be gone after losing 2 of 3), the AL is playing meaningless games for the next month. Yes, we want our players to do well, stay healthy, and get wins. But there are no tough losses or big wins for AL teams in the next month. Once the playoffs start, nobody will care who won the divisions...and especially after the quick 2 of 3 first round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 27, 2020 Author Share Posted August 27, 2020 Today's off day update: Sox up to 4th in playoff odds percentage in FG at 98.3%. They trail only Minnesota.Cleveland, and Tampa. 97.2% in BRef, still 7th overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleCoastBias Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 17 minutes ago, flavum said: Seven AL teams with a 97.5% or higher chance of making the playoffs, plus Blue Jays with 65%. Are we really rooting for seeding? Empty parks and no re-seeding after the first round (that you can be gone after losing 2 of 3), the AL is playing meaningless games for the next month. Yes, we want our players to do well, stay healthy, and get wins. But there are no tough losses or big wins for AL teams in the next month. Once the playoffs start, nobody will care who won the divisions...and especially after the quick 2 of 3 first round. At this point my goal is "win the division". I'll still be scoreboard watching and checking the standings. Less concerned about jockeying for seeding and matchups, and more interested in planting the flag that establishes we're the best in the AL Central now and moving forward. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 1 hour ago, pcq said: The ALC race right now is the best one to be had and the Sox are the great unknown. I think my favorite part about this is that we're still waiting for some guys to heat up (Moncada, Mazara, EE), help is on the way (Madrigal, Yolmer solely to spell Moncada, hopefully Bummer), there can be surprise call ups (Vaughn), and trades involved. This team currently has the best offense in baseball and has room to grow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 (edited) Going forward, I'm good with expanded playoffs, but maybe not 16 teams. 6 in each league would be fine with me (top 2 teams gets a bye the first round?). Especially with baseball likely expanding to 32 teams soon. Edited August 27, 2020 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 52 minutes ago, flavum said: Seven AL teams with a 97.5% or higher chance of making the playoffs, plus Blue Jays with 65%. Are we really rooting for seeding? Empty parks and no re-seeding after the first round (that you can be gone after losing 2 of 3), the AL is playing meaningless games for the next month. Yes, we want our players to do well, stay healthy, and get wins. But there are no tough losses or big wins for AL teams in the next month. Once the playoffs start, nobody will care who won the divisions...and especially after the quick 2 of 3 first round. This isn't true. The White winning this division this year would be huge for our young guys. Even if we flame out in the best of three, it will be something to build upon. It will start a standard of success for guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 We need to take at least 2 of 3 from the Twinkies series starting Monday. That will give us a HUGE leg up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, Soxnfins said: We need to take at least 2 of 3 from the Twinkies series starting Monday. That will give us a HUGE leg up. It’s a good practice series if it ends up being 2-7 or 3-6 in the first round. Giolito, Keuchel, Cease too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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