MLB 2021-2 off season thread

[Harold's Leg Lift]

13 minutes ago, T R U said:

Yeah im not trading Jose Rodriguez

He's a nice player but he's no where near untradable. If they can include him in a package for a high impact player they would be insane not to do it.  

[hi8is]

2 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

He's a nice player but he's no where near untradable. If they can include him in a package for a high impact player they would be insane not to do it.  

But his nickname is Popeye!!!!

[kleedawg]

8 minutes ago, hi8is said:

But his nickname is Popeye!!!!

Then absolutely trade him

[T R U]

36 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

He's a nice player but he's no where near untradable. If they can include him in a package for a high impact player they would be insane not to do it.  

Agreed. Chris Bassitt is not a high impact player.

[Lillian]

8 minutes ago, T R U said:

Agreed. Chris Bassitt is not a high impact player.

Are you sure that Bassitt is not a "high impact player"? He's been pretty consistently good, IMHO.

 

Edited November 19, 2021 by Lillian

[CWSpalehoseCWS]

He’s got an agreement with a MLB team.

[T R U]

56 minutes ago, Lillian said:

Are you sure that Bassitt is not a "high impact player"? He's been pretty consistently good, IMHO.

 

I mean, I don't think I would say consistently good and a high impact player are necessarily the same thing.

[MiddleCoastBias]

1 hour ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

He’s got an agreement with a MLB team.

I won't believe it until Hector Gomez says so.

[Lillian]

11 minutes ago, T R U said:

I mean, I don't think I would say consistently good and a high impact player are necessarily the same thing.

He is 29 and 14, over the last 4 seasons, with a sub 3.40 ERA and a WHIP around 1.150. He has averaged about 1 K per inning. He would seem to be a solid addition to the Sox rotation. He isn't Scherzer, but then he won't cost anywhere near what Max would.

[Balta1701]

1 hour ago, Lillian said:

Are you sure that Bassitt is not a "high impact player"? He's been pretty consistently good, IMHO.

 

There's a crude joke here about Bassitt's IL trip this year...

[bmags]

Jose Rodriguez I'd  absolutely give for Chris Bassitt. 

[southsider2k5]

Correa won't take less than Lindor ($341m)

https://www.audacy.com/sportsradio610/sports/houston-astros/report-yankees-looking-to-sign-stopgap-shortstop?fbclid=IwAR1fu6CRDlFAKIsSjeg9fmmB8vtDIyPE8XsXjU25WarP1-21zHlm_rsN4K4

[bmags]

I think I may have slept on Roberto Perez's defense too much based on 2021. In 2019 the guy was one of the best defensive catchers in baseball by FRAA in baseball prospectus. 

[Bob Sacamano]

37 minutes ago, bmags said:

I think I may have slept on Roberto Perez's defense too much based on 2021. In 2019 the guy was one of the best defensive catchers in baseball by FRAA in baseball prospectus. 

You think he will sign to be a backup or go to a team with a deep lineup that could start him?

[bmags]

2 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

You think he will sign to be a backup or go to a team with a deep lineup that could start him?

Boy I don't know, you'd have to have a pretty deep offense. He's either league average or absolutely putrid.

[Bob Sacamano]

4 minutes ago, bmags said:

Boy I don't know, you'd have to have a pretty deep offense. He's either league average or absolutely putrid.

Yeah especially on an NL team that would be rough. Maybe Yankees if they want to ditch Sanchez?

[caulfield12]

3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

What in the fuck bro

Some year, Buxton is going to win an MVP and everyone will wonder why the White Sox didn’t make a run at him when you could get an extension for less than the price of Jose Berrios, a 2.5 spot in the rotation starter.

So far, nobody has a very solid idea for OF other than about 25+ Ketel Marte trades that underpay Arizona, Reynolds trades that underpay Pitt, giving Conforto $100 million or Starling Marte $75 million at his relatively advanced age.

Knowing the Sox, we finally end up with Frazier and he looks nothing like that first half 2021 version again.

 

And it’s not like Jimenez is currently perceived around baseball as one of the safest bets out there…unless he DH’s, which the White Sox seem adamantly opposed to doing.

Edited November 19, 2021 by caulfield12

[T R U]

1 hour ago, Lillian said:

He is 29 and 14, over the last 4 seasons, with a sub 3.40 ERA and a WHIP around 1.150. He has averaged about 1 K per inning. He would seem to be a solid addition to the Sox rotation. He isn't Scherzer, but then he won't cost anywhere near what Max would.

Actually he would cost a lot more than Max. Max only costs money, Bassitt requires young players we dont have the luxury to deplete. 

[Chicago White Sox]

23 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Some year, Buxton is going to win an MVP and everyone will wonder why the White Sox didn’t make a run at him when you could get an extension for less than the price of Jose Berrios, a 2.5 spot in the rotation starter.

So far, nobody has a very solid idea for OF other than about 25+ Ketel Marte trades that underpay Arizona, Reynolds trades that underpay Pitt, giving Conforto $100 million or Starling Marte $75 million at his relatively advanced age.

Knowing the Sox, we finally end up with Frazier and he looks nothing like that first half 2021 version again.

 

And it’s not like Jimenez is currently perceived around baseball as one of the safest bets out there…unless he DH’s, which the White Sox seem adamantly opposed to doing.

My god either you’ve lost your mind or have added the Twins to your list of favorites alongside the Royals & Twins.  Not one single Sox fan will ever say “how come we didn’t trade Andrew Vaughn, Garrett Crochet, and two minor leagues to a divisional rival for one year of Bryan Buxton” even if the dude becomes Mike Trout.  Like where do you come up with this stuff?

[southsideirish71]

8 minutes ago, T R U said:

Actually he would cost a lot more than Max. Max only costs money, Bassitt requires young players we dont have the luxury to deplete. 

Which one do you think JR would prefer.  The one that involves less of his money is probably the one he would vote for. 

[Chicago White Sox]

10 minutes ago, T R U said:

Actually he would cost a lot more than Max. Max only costs money, Bassitt requires young players we dont have the luxury to deplete. 

He’ll also make $31M or so less than Max next year.

[wegner]

3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

He’ll also make $31M or so less than Max next year.

Any concern about Bassitt after taking that wicked line drive off his face?  Was he ok when he came back from that?  That's the type of thing that could affect a pitcher going forward, at least mentally which could lead to physically.

Edited November 19, 2021 by wegner
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[caulfield12]

10 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

My god either you’ve lost your mind or have added the Twins to your list of favorites alongside the Royals & Twins.  Not one single Sox fan will ever say “how come we didn’t trade Andrew Vaughn, Garrett Crochet, and two minor leagues to a divisional rival for one year of Bryan Buxton” even if the dude becomes Mike Trout.  Like where do you come up with this stuff?

Obviously, you don’t make the trade unless you have an extension agreed to with Buxton, exactly like we did with F.Garcia in the deal with the Mariners.

It’s the exact same reason Hahn hyped Kimbrel and Cesar Hernandez as contracts for 2021 AND ‘22.

Whether the Twins would give them that negotiating window, no idea.  Probably it’s too risky for both sides, but the principle here is the same as the Betts to LAD trade.

Hahn would and SHOULD be fired for making that trade without being able to successfully extend Buxton…especially if he suddenly turned in an MVP season and we ultimately lost him with only a QO comp pick in return to show for it.

That extension is somewhere between the $75-85 million the Twins low-balled him with and the money that Berrios just received from the Blue Jays.

There’s nowhere else you can get an MVP talent player at such a low price…you’re paying $25-40 million per SEASON on the FA market for it.

Edited November 19, 2021 by caulfield12

[Chicago White Sox]

2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Obviously, you don’t make the trade unless you have an extension agreed to with Buxton, exactly like we did with F.Garcia in the deal with the Mariners.

It’s the exact same reason Hahn hyped Kimbrel and Cesar Hernandez as contracts for 2021 AND ‘22.

Whether the Twins would give them that negotiating window, no idea.  Probably it’s too risky for both sides, but the principle here is the same as the Betts to LAD trade.

 

The Twins are year away from getting a 2nd round pick for losing Buxton and you want to give them two cheap cornerstones they can build around?

I have no idea what comparison you are trying to draw to Hernandez & Kimbrel.

Also, you think two cheap, high potential pieces off our major league roster is comparable to what the Dodgers gave up for Betts?

[caulfield12]

11 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

The Twins are year away from getting a 2nd round pick for losing Buxton and you want to give them two cheap cornerstones they can build around?

I have no idea what comparison you are trying to draw to Hernandez & Kimbrel.

Also, you think two cheap, high potential pieces off our major league roster is comparable to what the Dodgers gave up for Betts?

Vaughn OR Jimenez.  Read it again.

Not both.  

And there’s good odds neither puts up fWAR numbers to even halve what Buxton can put up in the next 5-7.

Unless you feel that Crochet is the next Sale, it’s not that big a deal.

That is, unless you’re afraid Jimenez is the next David Ortiz or Manny Ramirez, but that would only be in the DH role that Cruz formerly occupied, not LF.

And there’s no comparison defensively since we would have two of the Top 5 defenders in baseball, not to mention Hamilton and/or Engel in reserve for RF backup.

 

The comparison is that every trade is always sold as not just being for THAT season…Hahn is always spinning it in that most favorable of ways.   No team will trade for Buxton without at least a 75% chance at retaining him, with the Rays being perhaps the only possible exception, and even they know value…but they’re going all in on extending Wander Franco right now.

You can argue you’re paying a premium to trade with a divisional rival, but we still haven’t seen what those Dodgers’ prospects will do in Boston and Washington (Turner/Scherzer deal.)

Edited November 19, 2021 by caulfield12