Panerista Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 (edited) I love this move. Good work, Rick. So excited for a change. Edited December 16, 2015 by AustinIllini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I wonder if we hear Hawk say "the strong arm of Lawrie" on every double play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 07:06 PM) I think this increases the chances of Alexei coming back. Â I hope it does. In fact I think it will and judging by no news anywhere on Alexei other teams already have that figured out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Good move by us. I saw Trayce as a 4th OF/Platoon/Oft used defensive replacement, and while that is valuable, I don't see it as a huge loss. I thought Micah could be a good player but a change of scenery was necessar. And Montas was going to get traded 1 way or another. No spots in the rotation open with Fulmer and Adams making a fast path to the majors, and sticking him in the pen would have been a disservice to him imo. Â We have more than enough pop at 3B and 2B that Saladino should stay at SS to have a vastly inproved infield offensively and defensively. Add in Upton/Cespedes at RF as huge improvements on both sides and we can start to talk about seriously contending Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Spiegel speculating Courtney Hawkins as a 4th outfielder this coming season. Â Turns off radio... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 01:09 PM) I don't know if that will happen. Â You very well could be right but those numbers I threw out there are already below his career averages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:13 PM) I wonder if we hear Hawk say "the strong arm of Lawrie" on every double play No need to wonder, that's a certainty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:13 PM) I wonder if we hear Hawk say "the strong arm of Lawrie" on every double play Well, at least it will only be every road double play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (dpd9189 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:11 PM) Lawrie had an OBP of .299 and was a 0.6 WAR player last year. You can always hope for the best but it's not like we picked up the 2nd coming of Joe Morgan. Â Even if you assume he repeats those numbers, and doesn't benefit at all from not playing in Oakland again, his OPS is over 100 points greater than Carlos Sanchez who finished the season at 2B, and 130 points better than Micah Johson who started there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Does Melton mess up Todd Frazier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 02:13 PM) I wonder if we hear Hawk say "the strong arm of Lawrie" on every double play  lol. I can see Jose trying to scoop a low scud missile already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:13 PM) Spiegel speculating Courtney Hawkins as a 4th outfielder this coming season. Â Turns off radio... I don't mind S&G at all, but Spiegs has no business talking White Sox. Â CH as a 4th outfielder is nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:13 PM) Spiegel speculating Courtney Hawkins as a 4th outfielder this coming season. Â Turns off radio... It really is amazing guys whose profession sort of requires they know some things, are totally clueless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:13 PM) Spiegel speculating Courtney Hawkins as a 4th outfielder this coming season. Â Turns off radio... Â Somewhere JB Shuck just cried a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 And somewhere in the US...Mike Olt and Matt Davidson are crying in their beers... Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (dpd9189 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:11 PM) Lawrie had an OBP of .299 and was a 0.6 WAR player last year. You can always hope for the best but it's not like we picked up the 2nd coming of Joe Morgan. Â I don't see where you get "2nd coming of Joe Morgan" from "Solid bat at 2B" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I LOVE this trade. Gave up three talented but flawed prospects for one of the best 3B in baseball. With two years of control, you can give him a few months and then possibly discuss extension, but if he's not interested you'll most likely end up with a comp pick when leaves and hopefully have Trey Michalczewski ready to replace him at that time (obviously not a sure thing). Â Having said that, we still need to add an OF to replace Avi. Do that, and this team can be serious contenders next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 01:15 PM) Even if you assume he repeats those numbers, and doesn't benefit at all from not playing in Oakland again, his OPS is over 100 points greater than Carlos Sanchez who finished the season at 2B, and 130 points better than Micah Johson who started there. In 2013, Gordon Beckham's RC+ at 2b was 90 (his best year there). Lawrie's RC+ last year was 94. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:16 PM) It really is amazing guys whose profession sort of requires they know some things, are totally clueless. Well, ever since the big Cubbie move to WSCR, you knew their focus would shift heavily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Sox address pitching and outfield holes with acquisitions of Samardzija, Robertson, and Cabrera. Â Sox address infield and outfield holes with acquisitions of Lawrie, Frazier, and (outfielder). Â Deja vu. Hope it goes better this time. At least the Cubs have basically already "won the offseason", since that usually results in a sub .500 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 10:11 AM) Cespedes for the rest of us? No. We have added a solid and an above average baseball player, that said, both struggle at consistently getting on base. We need to address that and Cespedes just isn't near the OBP guy. I bet the Sox have Abreu spending a lot of time with Puig on this trip to Cuba. Maybe Alexei too (as I still think we bring him back at the right price). That said, org is very high on Saladino's defense @ SS. Â I am thinking the Sox are going to surprise us and it won't be one of the FA guys we've been talking all along. If it is one of them, I think it will be Upton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:18 PM) In 2013, Gordon Beckham's RC+ at 2b was 90 (his best year there). Lawrie's RC+ last year was 94. Â You are expecting Gordon Beckham to do that again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 01:19 PM) You are expecting Gordon Beckham to do that again? You're expecting Gordon Beckham's bat at 2b to be a strong positive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Montas has a big arm, can hit 100 and his slider is nasty at times. But his command is rough on all his pitches, his mechanics are inconsistent, and he is far too gun-happy which makes his pitches flatten. He's a reliever, and it isn't guaranteed even that will work. Â Thompson is a solid 4th OF right now, with a ceiling of a starting CF regular, but that's a roll of the dice. Â Micah can hit in the majors and has game-changing speed, but he can't defend his position at second and can't handle other positions. Plus he has repeated health issues. Â The Sox got an All Star-level 3B for at least two years, for that? Win. Big win. And this coming from a guy who follows (and writes about) the minor league system closely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:18 PM) I LOVE this trade. Gave up three talented but flawed prospects for one of the best 3B in baseball. With two years of control, you can give him a few months and then possibly discuss extension, but if he's not interested you'll most likely end up with a comp pick when leaves and hopefully have Trey Michalczewski ready to replace him at that time (obviously not a sure thing). Having said that, we still need to add an OF to replace Avi. Do that, and this team can be serious contenders next year. Agreed. It's refreshing for Hahn to sell high on a guy like Thompson instead of sitting on him until he's no longer a viable bargaining piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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