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I think it's just a matter of teams not having money to give him. He was planning on signing for real money. Nobody really has it available. He'd be better off playing 3 years in Japan and signing a big league deal at 25 honestly. Also, teams aren't allowed to trade for space during the next two periods. Some clubs are really hurt by this because they're overcommitted. San Diego for example has had to renege on a few offers because they won't have the money.

I wrote about the latest international prospect to defect from Cuba and how it relates to the White Sox: https://www.futuresox.com/2020/10/26/white-sox-reportedly-interested-in-16-year-old-cuban-of-luis-pino/

Since my RF thread has been destroyed by endless Mazara talk, figured I mention in here that Steve Adams of MLBtraderumors has the Sox as his pick to land Springer.

The Sox are going to spend what they are going to spend. Jerry isn’t going to tell Hahn the payroll is $180M with La Russa, but only $130M with Hinch. That’s just completely nonsensical.

Why should I want to be friends with somebody who thinks I deserve fewer rights than they do? Sounds like a bad friend to me

Something I have been hinting at, but am going to just flat out say now... If you have to actively disqualify half of baseball and entire seasons of baseball to try to argue that someone is a good player, you aren't really proving that they are a good player. The National League is still major league baseball, and what they do, does count. It also doesn't help to disqualify one guys worst season, but not anyone else's. The numbers have been posted over and over again, and no matter how you move the goalposts around, even if you try to isolate down to just a single counting stat, Nomar Mazara has not been a "good" or even average RF. It just isn't true. None of what you have said actually proves out. o matter how many times you wrongly repeat it, it won't be true.

I guess the question you have to ask yourself is if you really want to be friends with someone that supports and admires a man that makes fun of disabled people, brags about walking into dressing rooms full of underage girls, thinks that nazis are "very fine people" and makes fun of people that wear masks during a national pandemic just to name a few things. I would hope that I do a better job of picking friends. I have people on FB that support him but they are only "facebook friends". Nobody I really associate IRL. Honestly, there are a couple that I've only stayed friends with because it's sometimes fun countering all the stupid crap they post/believe.

You might be on to something here.

this is obnoxious

Let's be honest here. If you are worried about Hunter Biden and his foreign entanglements, there is no chance you can vote for the President then.

The bolded is the key. I am OK with someone saying that they want to bet on Nomar's potential at the right price. Granted that price is probably something like a million or two with no job promise coming into 2021, but that is an OK scenario for me. But if you are argument is that is a good player already? Nah. Can't do it. Nothing supports that as of today.

To recap: Nomar Mazara is a good RF No But his batting average is .275 It isn't But he hits a lot of homers Not particularly He plays good defense for a RF HIs dWAR is terrible But he gets lot of assists Leury Garcia had more in a partial season He hits a lot of homers if you only look at the years he didn't suck Still no He hits a lot of homers if you leave out his bad year, and eliminate half of the RFs in baseball Uh, still no But he had a good OPS one year, or maybe it was another year Uh, not if you compare him to other similar players

I wouldn't completely hate Vaughn for Woodruff or something, but I just am uneasy with the idea of trading such a polished and powerful hitter to open up ABs for James McCann, who could very easily revert to a league-average or worse hitter

And now, we return to discussing COVID.

Yes, the words I put in quotes were the exact words he said. The 2 "sides" he was talking about were protesters and neo-Nazis. I didn't even bring up the fact that he told the Proud Boys to stand back and stand by. Which they were very fired up about.

You have yet to post one single statistic that supports it. Even your narrowly nitpicked counting stats proved you wrong. 100% wrong.

First of all, I said the American league from the beginning as we began to argue. I wanted to argue apples to apples. One of the reasons is that the AL is a DH league and the NL is not. The NL happens to try and get more of its offensive production from its outfield positions than the AL does because the AL uses the DH for a lot of its power needs. The AL also has more older power hitters in it for that reason also which makes young power guys like Mazara a bit rare. You haven't proven anything that I've said as being false. Mazara is still in the top 25-33% of all major league right field power hitters. That quality makes him, to me an AVERAGE major league right fielder. YOu feel different? Fine. that is your opinion.

My contribution to this thread will be that Kamala Harris made a stop in the Charlotte Knights locker room.

Probably 2021 in the minors and up in 2022

I disagree. The next period doesn't start until January 2022. Colas is 22 years old already. Why would they want to wait? Just land Colas in this period whenever he gets freed up IMO.

But at the same time, how the fuck would you know? Seems to me that Stone would have access to much better info the matter than you.

This is what the White Sox have committed: Norge Vera RHP Cuba ($1.5 million) Victor Quezada 3B DR ($525K) Manual Guariman C Ven ($475K) Dario Barrero OF Ven ($350K) Adrian Gil RHP Ven ($250K) Gabriel Rodriguez OF DR ($100K) Antonio Jimenez OF ($90K) That's just over $3 million and the club has $5,398,300 total to spend.

Its just insane. Sox sign one of the best 2 catchers in the game to a very reasonable FA contract. He is the guy he always was and remains an unbelievably good fit for the future lineup. And half the fanbase wants to trade him to make space for a guy that is measurably worse player, a measurably worse fit, and a FA that will command a decent commitment this offseason. Makes zero sense whatsoever.

They are on the phone w Trevor Bauer as we speak that’s why 😬😬

Methinks you may have missed some sarc....(falls asleep drunk at a stoplight).

You realize this would be a pretty big right? The owner installing his own manager and bypassing his GM and President?

Worked in management? What in the world are you talking about? A GM that is being forced to hire the owner’s long-time buddy to manage his team clearly doesn’t have the proper influence or decision making authority to be successful and would likely quit. I don’t care what badass job you think you had that makes you feel otherwise, but you are wrong here. A manager who doesn’t get to hire their direct reports is only a manager in title. It’s really that simple. And when has Jerry ever forced a manager on one of his GMs? The only thing even remotely close was the Guillen situation and he ultimately sided with KW. For fuck’s sake, he let Hawk fire La Russa years ago and supported Krause at the expense of Jackson. I’m sure Jerry is involved in the decision-making process, but he’s not going to force his front office to hire certain people.

Deal.

A lot you all have never worked in management, and it shows. Hahn may be A boss, but he isn't THE boss.

If Hahn was not allowed to hire his own manager he would probably quit. This Jerry is going to override the front office and force them hire La Russa is total bullshit. That is not how the dude operates. I’d wager large sums of money that Hinch will be the manger within 10 days after the World Series.

I can’t wait for the World Series to end so the new manager can be announced and free agency can start. It’s so boring with this dead period.

I listened to Garfiens Soxtalk podcast with their 3 FA Signings they want, they discussed potentially signing Jackie Bradley Jr for RF. I kind of like this idea. He would for sure take a 1 year deal. He would provide GREAT defense in RF and let's be honest we don't NEED huge production out of RF because they will be batting 8th! I'd rather trade defense since we have Eloy in LF. Robert and Bradley patrolling 4/5ths of our OF would be great. I think it takes more than 23M to get Bauer, but I think we should pay WHATEVER it takes, and even over pay if he would be willing to sign a 1 year deal. That way we have no long high contract on a pitcher and if he fails, it's not hurting our salary for 2022 and beyond. I would even go as far as 35M for 2021 and even put a team option of 35M for 2022. That way if he's great, we keep him and pay him a crazy salary and we have a chance to win the WS. No doubt in my mind if we just added Bauer, we would be favorites in the AL Central and potentially WS with our offense.

don't care going to do this all day Medium-sized pitching approach + clint frazier

Anyone else know of a list I can put @michelangelosmonkey on? Posting Hall of Fame List? Anything else, perhaps??

Ok I'm going to ride with The Hawk and General Custer to the Little Big Horn...it's a bright sunny day, I mean what could go wrong. The case for Mazara is he would fit in so perfectly for us if he could harness his potential. Left handed power hitting RF. If you squint a bit you can see 25 year old David Ortiz the hitter in Mazara...young players develop at different rates and Mazara was a highly thought of young player and has shown enough promise as a hitter in the majors from 21 to still have hope. His defense improved dramatically in 2020 (SSS). He won't cost a lot of money. He and Engel can make a nice platoon. Zips shows him as a 1 WAR player for 2021. We have money to spend elsewhere and if he doesn't pan out...maybe Engel does...or Rutherford, Lugo, Adolfo. 2020 was the year where we hoped one of our outfield prospects would leap forward but then Covid. We also hoped to see the true Mazara...but Covid. Most of the reasons to take a chance on Mazara in 2020 remain with us today and we can't say he's garbage based on 149 at bats in a weird year. The only thing that really changed is our contention window seems to have leapt forward and the idea of trotting out a bad position player seems wrong. Leury gives us stable mediocracy, Mazara gives us a range of potential outcomes including a nice upside. If you could get Benintendi for free would you try him? I'm not sure Mazara and Benintendi aren't the same guy....but I'm not sure they aren't just left handed hitting Avi Garcias. The largest point is...use scarce resources to try to get Bauer or the equivalent and hold off for a year hoping RF fixes itself. Alright I'm tying myself to an anthill and pouring honey on my eyes.

Explain again, Dr Poker, how the eight of hearts would be a better right fielder than Mazara. None is as smart as you but I'm working on my condescension game and its nice to learn at the foot of the master.

Why are you guys arguing so much about a guy who probably won’t even be on the team next season?

What? You don't say.

Uh oh, the double B-hive bout to blow up James mentions.

I like Ben Bailey but his biggest skill was walking a lot in the DSL vs teenagers. He's never even played stateside. Yes, these guys are all better than him.

How the f does Steve Stone know how hard Trevor Bauer works? Carson Fulmer is on the Trevor Bauer regimen; how's that working out for him? You're 100% right too; I don't like Bauer, and most people who have played with him don't like him either. He who shouts the loudest about how smart and hard he works is likely not one who works the hardest and/or knows the most. I've said it before, but when your teammates in high school, college, and the pros universally don't like you, it's not because you "speak your mind and are a free thinker." It's because you're an asshole.

Pitchers have indeed used the tools that were provided to them. That is not what Bauer did. Yes, when you try to take a view from nowhere view that Giolito "changed his delivery", indeed pitchers have done that. But Giolito did that dramatically over the course of one offseason was the big change, and the use of the core velocity belt is now much more widespread. Bauer helped decentralize the pitching knowledge and gave more power to the players to tinker. You are being obtuse about his impact on the last half-decade.

Good read, but I noticed you didn't write about Ozzie in there? Does this mean he is a dark horse candidate? AJ Hinch just seems too obvious at this point. I'd be surprised if it isn't him. I would be thrilled with Hinch (or Ozzie).

For the life of me, I cannot figure out why Mitch isn't coming in for 6-10 plays a game on 3rd down (a la Taysom Hill). Foles is a statue out there, why can't Mitch come out there WITH Foles and try to get cute with a dual threat instead of Patterson repeatedly getting the ball out of the backfield for a whopping 2.8YPC, insanely frustrating.

I'm an old dinosaur and I love the shifting. It works, duh. Do we need to say more? Like make a rule that a fielder has to stand where he has the least chance of catching a baseball? Now, that's messing with the game we love.

Trading Grandal would be one of the stupidest things the Sox could possibly do. Makes me sick.

I haven't been to this forum for a long time and the first thread I read, I encounter this sat pissing contest. Name calling and nonsense. Knock it off guys. The White sox signed Mazarra to hit home runs and drive in runs. He was a dismal failure of a signing. He had a total of seven extra base hits in 42 games. He hit the same number of home runs Yolmer Sanchez hit in his 16 games. He should not and will not return.

You are quite literally the first person who has publicly said they can't tell Gio Gonzalez from Lucas Giolito from the context of the discussions happening here.

Manfred's job should be endangered.

Jose, Jose .Jose, Jose Jose , Jose Now trade him.