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You should know by now that everyone is randomly busy when the Sox win, and seemingly free when they get their butts kicked.

He's going to be just fine. He'll settle in in the 5-7 WAR range with an outside chance to reach Trout levels.

I've been arguing with people on a different sports board about Moncada. This is the way I see it: Moncada has "Best position player in the game" potential. His potential is Who is better Trout or Moncada? His floor is Trevor Story. I don't know where he's ultimately going to fall on this spectrum, but if he hits his ceiling, I could see this as his career year .310/.405/1.085 43HR 45 SB 38 2B 13 3B 130+RBI And a GG

Man this looks like such a good trade.

This is a great stat that really shows how not every guy is going to take the league by storm like Soto & Gleybor. More often than not guys struggle like Moncada is...albeit a modest struggle, he is 3rd in WAR on the team and will catch Yolmer soon I am sure. The fact that this is Moncada's first full year, I think we (myself included) don't give him enough slack for his ups and downs considering he is still learning to hit in MLB. All that being said, his strikeout rate is my biggest concern because is it something he can correct? Is it a vision issue? Is it a coordination issue? Does he just guess up there? Those questions will take time to answer. When he makes contact, he hits it hard more often than most. The only guy on that list that is close to his K rate is Baez, both Ramirez and Altuve came up as contact guys that developed more power. I still trust he will continue to get better and if he can just even bring that K rate down to low 30% and bring his walk rate up to 12-15% (which would nearly double current rate) he will be much more effective. He probably is better suited for a 2-5 batting position than leadoff with his ability to drive in runs.

If thats the case then we are in agreement . I understood it fully and I stand by my support of the post.

And when we do win, everyone is only free to watch the occasional play in which Moncada/Anderson mess up rather than anything else that happened in the game

He just needs to learn to be selectively aggressive. That will help him get deeper into counts, more walks, in better position. It will also stop pitchers from throwing him so many first pitch fastballs right done the middle that he doesn't want to swing at normally.

Have you seen his stats? The only true success he's had is swinging at first pitch. Once he falls behind, it's all over.

At this stage, he's nowhere near the WSox version of Thome in terms of batting eye.

He's right there with them. The big difference is that Dunn and Thome had a long track record of destroying baseballs at the big league level that Moncada doesn't.

Dunn and Thome say "remember us"

Moncada oozes talent. Dude has the potential to be the Infield Ken Griffey Jr. A true 5-tool stud. For all of the shit that Moncada gets for his errors, his range is incredible, and even though the metrics argue otherwise, I see him go to Anderson's side of 2B with regularity from the 2B home position. He gets to balls others would allow for hits, and that is why he has more errors. Simply more opportunities to make a mistake.

Yes, that is dreamland if Moncada reaches his ceiling. It really isn't that hard to imagine. He has the potential to be on the "best of the best ever" (i.e. Mike Trout) level. I'm not saying he gets there, but yeah, he has the potential to have the argument in the future: Which season was better? Moncada's 2022 or Thomas' 1994?

This pisses me off, especially since getting Nwaba was why they sold the 2nd round pick. For context. 1) They wanted Blakeney with the 2nd rounder 2) They wanted Nwaba 3) Didn't have enough roster space for Nwaba and a 2nd rounder, felt like Blakeney might slip out of the draft. 4) Sell the pick, keep Nwaba, sign Blakeney to a two way deal. But if they just let Nwaba walk for nothing, that's inexcusable because then they really should have just held onto Bell and not signed Felicio.

Why does everyone on here jump to the conclusion that the Sox are somehow a part of every deal in some way?

That’s a good call on his part, but the reality is he is a kid who was out bonused by about 25 guys in his class and never played a game for the White Sox organization. To think he would be where he is at this point is either HOF scouting ability or some good luck, or just someone who at that point just preferred any prospect to James Shields. I have ripped RH and Kw a lot, but if they really had any inkling of what they had, I give them enough credit to be able to say they never would have made that trade even if Shield was going to be a lot better than he turned out to be.

There's a chance for the bullpen to get really bad real soon. When you combine that with a mediocre rotation and bad offense, it's likely going to get ugly in the 2nd half

Rodon as well. Rodon/Gio/Lopez/Fry/TA/Moncada/Abreu/Avi/Yolmer/Leury could all be part of the next good team. (next year hopefully) As ss has said, its better for those guys to do well and maybe end up with pick 4/5 rather than everyone struggling and possibly still not ending up with #1. Obviously everyone wants Rutschman now but theres no guarantee he'll even be #1 come June next year.

It isn't about "winning" per se. It is about Yoan Moncada, Lucas Giolito, Reynaldo Lopez and Tim Anderson showing some sustained signs of stardom, or at least big leaps forward in looking like cornerstones of a title team. If those 4 take meaningful steps forward, so will the teams record. It is also about wanting to see Jose Abreu get healthy and start hitting again. It is about James Shields pitching well enough to become a trade piece. It is about Nate Jones and Avi Garcia being healthy and playing well enough to give themselves value on the trade market. It is about the secondary group of guys having some guys step forward and join guys like Yolmer Sanchez and Leury Garcia as guys who could be on our next title team. It is that we might see Kopech and Jimenez, along with a couple of other pieces in September, and we want them to succeed. The more of those things that start to happen, the better of the health of the rebuild is. If this team utterly collapses in the second half, it means the vast majority of those guys have not grown, or worse they have created more questions than answers. If you are getting good performances from key players, teams tend to win. The good play will lead to wins. That is what I want to see. If that means a worse pick, so be it. The Sox do not benefit by guys like Giolito and Moncada continuing to struggle.

Honestly, unlike the Cubs and Astros, the White Sox very much went "pitching-heavy" on the players they acquired in this rebuild, so if the White Sox need starting pitching, they're probably not in a position to compete anyway.

Because the manager is dumb as shit

Turning around that 102MPH sinker for a triple yesterday was something.

Holy crap is Washington (state) beautiful. The wife and I had a great time in Seattle and trekking around Mt. Rainier. I think we hiked about 25 miles in 2.5 days. Little to no cell service or internet....perfect weather. Just a fantastic time.

But I want the cornerstones to bust out AND get Adley Rutschman.

So much truth in these posts! With wins being so few and far between I'm going to relish in them when they happen.

This. I want to see the cornerstones bust out and have big second halves more than I want them to keep flailing and get the first pick instead of say the 5th.

Hmm I think it is. Either they are driving the short bus or occupants in it ,either way he refers to the front office as those types who proved by the trade that they belong on the short bus. I just refered to them as the driver because they are the ones in charge of the rebuild. I mean it's a cruel term no doubt but I'm fairly certain I understand it's use there.

I don't think that's what this poster meant by "short bus" and I think that's part of why he got those reactions.

He ignores so much in that number, but considering KC is the mouthpiece for the org assume that they are not planning to create 2 max contract space.

You're likely right, I'm just hoping for a (likely unrealistic) scenario in which all the key rebuild guys do well and the bullpen is a flaming gas can outside of Fry and gives up every late lead the team has.

Throw in was the wrong word. But he wasn't viewed as a major prospect at the time. Most people on here didn't even know who he was.

Rodon crushing it is huge for the rebuild, imo. Things are a lot better if he emerges as the ace he can be. A lot better.

It's almost like private insurance is bad.

My favorite memory of the Miguel gonzalez era is trading him for Forbes.

The Dash have been and probably still are the most talent-deep team in the system. Certainly hitting-wise. The entire starting lineup are actual prospects, no joke (though the catchers are quite fringy). Really, pick a hitter any hitter there. And you might see Madrigal there sooner than later too, though they keep changing that plan.

I would make the trade in a heartbeat. I would throw Giolito, Fulmer AND Rick Hahn in the deal. I would take the Rockies GM in return for Hahn. This would be a first in MLB history, two GMs traded for each other. In 1960 Cleveland and Detroit traded managers for the first and only time in MLB history.

The entire Shields trade was a fucking travesty, and the moment anyone in that organization had the stupid idea to trade for him, they, and all their co-workers should have been fired on the spot for even thinking stupid things. It was so moronically stupid that I actually didn't believe that the rumors were real; I thought my scrubs fans buddies were messing with me, so I paid it little-to-no attention. Until it happened. About the bolded, I'm not picking on YOU, but that whole phrase is fucking stupid. This front office has earned every scrap of criticism, scorn, ridicule, and disdain that they've caused for themselves, this team, and this fandom. Using that phrase lets those imbeciles "off the hook" a bit, IMHO. I'd love whoever came up with that phrase to actually ask Hahn & KW WTF those morons were thinking, rather than using "kid gloves" on them. [If memory serves, I think it was some media type or blogger type who gives KW, Hahn, et. al a pass by inventing the bolded phrase.] On balance, I think this is why many fans here are impatient with this process: The same short-bus MFers that crapped their pants as Front Office types for nearly two decades [and gave away TATIS for a pittance] are supposed to be entrusted to un-fuck this team. Houston and the scrubs fired the morons that screwed up their teams, and brought in professionals that could actually do the job, and the results spoke for themselves. I just don't think we should be so easy on people who were too dumb to see the Tatis-for-Shields trade as being a good idea. YMMV.

They tell me he has taken an insane amount of 3rd strikes

And I didn't use the R word. Do you want to call me the N word? Are we not allowed to fairly criticize the Front Office?

Last season he was, and at the beginning of the season he was. Then the staff told him to swing more after he returned from his injury and I don't get it. His huge asset was his knowledge of the strike zone, and they are neutering that because he's swinging at 1st pitches and shit like that. He's more dangerous as he sees more pitches and gets deeper into the count. Umps notwithstanding. Honestly I think his regression has a lot to do with him being more of a free swinger and he's not comfortable with it. It could also explain the pulling off everything because he's got into the habit of trying to destroy pitches early in the count.

Well Gio and Fulmer for instance. The Burger pick doesn't look so hot. Burdi looks like he may never be healthy. Ian Clarkson is a guy like Gio we traded for oft injured hoping he'd regain his stuff. Hasn't happened. Kopech has really struggled in AAA.

59 stolen, 23 caught.