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Blaming injuries on trainers is hysterical. Abreu twists his balls and has an ingrown hair, surely a young Herm would have prevented it. Kopech blows out his elbow, fucking Herm. Robert injures his thumb sliding. WTF Herm?

The only Series he will be apart of any time soon.

Maybe you just should have stopped after" I stand corrected". Caulfield didn't say anything else to warrant such disdainful sarcasm. You stated something that was clearly wrong and it was politely pointed out to you. It's ok to accept you were wrong graciously.

Something better happen soon, I think some of you guys are gonna murder eachother.

If the indians trade away kluber and others the division will be wide open. Literally any team could win it if they add 100 million in payroll.

This team is so far removed from a move like this. I feel I have to remind people but this team lost 100 games. We shouldn't be trading for someone like seager who should be looking at someone who is close and blocked like Chavis and offering Colome.

.637 OPS last year now that he's 2 years removed from the stuff, 0.6 rWAR last year, $28 million currently remaining on his contract over next 2 years. So the usual question then is - what else are the Mariners throwing in as a sweetener, because he'll pass through waivers unclaimed each of the next 2 years with performances anything like that.

I appreciate your effort here, but I’ll need to lay out my own projections because I’m still not fully following: 1B: Abreu - 2.5 2B: Moncada - 4.0 SS: Anderson - 2.5 3B: Machado - 6.0 LF: Jimenez - 3.5 CF: Engel - 0.5 RF: McCutchen - 2.5 DH: Palka - 1.0 CA: Castillo - 2.0 Bench - 1.0 Subtotal = 25.5 #1: Corbin - 5.0 #2: Rodon - 3.0 #3: Lopez - 3.0 #4: Pomeranz - 1.5 #5: Giolito - 1.0 Bullpen - 4.0 Sub-total = 17.5 That’s a projected total of 43 fWAR. That makes us dangerous enough to compete with Cleveland IMO assuming some improvement from our young guys. Not one of them has to be a “5 WAR star” next year like your post suggested.

You're going to have a fall off in the bullpen from the Indians (but Allen wasn't that great last year)...sure, they trade one of their starters and then suffer from a rash of injuries, that's certainly possible (especially Santana). You could certainly argue that rolling the dice like the 2007 White Sox did in the bullpen with a bunch of inexperienced guys and two veterans (Hand, the best) and you either get an implosion or everything miraculously clicks like the 2005 White Sox. They're likely to get less out of Perez than Gomes at catcher, but Gomes has been inconsistent from year to year. That said, there's no reason to think that Kipnis won't rebound, because he was absolutely miserable last year. You lose Brantley, and his veteran presence will definitely be missed...you also can't be sure what Encarnacion has left in the tank at his age, but, no matter how you slice it, Lindor and Jose Ramirez alone can put up numbers close to the entire White Sox collective fWAR if you combine the two. Alonso's another veteran bat in that line-up. There's also the possibility of some of their young prospects making strides. They're going to do much better than Greg Allen for 100ish games in the outfield again this year, no matter what they come up with.

I’ve listed the names of the “polished college bats”, but for your reference they are Schwarber, Conforto, Swanson, Bregman, & Benitendi. I’d wager a lot of organizations would have called up Senzel in 2017, but technically I can’t include him.

How many rotations are good 5 deep? Plus you would have Cease on the horizon, possibly even next season. Every bullpen has holes. Even the great ones. This is an area where I feel pretty confident the Sox can fill it in house. Burdi will hopefully be in the mix at some point as well. Ruiz, Bummer, Medeiros, Stephens and -- gulp--- Fulmer could all make contributions. Trading Dunning would hurt, and realistically, Bumgarner doesn't make sense for the Sox because they aren't in a one year desperate to win situation, I was playing like a one year situation because I wanted to be a stickler for a one-off scenario like southsider. But anyways, trading those guys, well, it can be done without crippling the system. Rutherford is what, 4th -- 7th on the minor league OF depth chart, depending on your view (personally I like him and would have him on the higher end of that). Dunning looks like he will be solid, but he is a pitcher that had an elbow issue problem and hasn't pitched above AA. That isn't depleting the system. Dunning would hurt though, and I would try my best to make it someone else. I may personally prefer to trade Madrigal than Dunning actually, but I'm a pitching guy. I am actually very curious to see what happens to Greinke. I think if a team is willing to pick up 25 mil per year on him, then it wouldn't take that much prospect-wise, but who knows. Let's say that they trade Rutherford, Dunning and Collins. That doesn't seem like it sets you back very much. You'd still have your top level hitters, and pitchers. Collins would hurt as his OBP is a rare tool, as his a catcher, but that is a question in itself. They wouldn't exactly be broke long term. Bumgarner is a one year deal. He moves on, Kopech comes in. Greinke's money is gone after 3 years. Moose would probably be 2-3 years. The only real long term commitment would be Harper. And I think most would be ok with that. The thing about having all the minor league depth, is that, the plan at least, should be those guys filling those holes. Hamilton, Burdi, Burr, Fry, Frare, Johnson and more to fill the bullpen. Kopech, and Cease at the top of the rotation. Robert, Basabe or Gonzalez in CF. Again, I know this isn't realistic at all. That isn't the point. More to the point, is that if the Sox want to be competitive in 2020, they need to make some strides this season. Because while it is unrealistic to expect a 30 game improvement this season, when they can spend and there are elite talent free agents, it is just as crazy to think they will make the jump next year, when there aren't the same talents available. This also doesn't account for guys that could make the leap. Maybe one or more of Moncada, Anderson, Lopez or Palka makes a leap next year. Maybe they won't. But even if they get marginally better, it makes a difference. I just don't see the point in being completely hopeless. Maybe it is being realistic, but why shout other people down for having hope? That just seems stupid.

Heres the other pessimistic one

Saying the Sox could theoretically make the playoffs with enough spending and development of their young players <> mean they will make the playoffs. You are moving he goalposts.

Add a whale, address the low hanging fruit with veteran free agents, and then hope our young guys develop & make an impact. Teams with young talent take massive leaps all the time. While the odds of competing for the division next year are low, it’s far from the impossibility you’re making it out to be.

This trade is what desperation looks like. Thank God Hahn had some patience in these deals.

I think ShotFire is trolling. Nobody could possibly think that; Herm is universally loved by everybody and has maybe the greatest track record of any trainer in the history of athletic activity.

If were using injuries as a stat relative to the rest of the league, Herm Schneider is the greatest trainer of all time.

Until they get rid of GarPax, any other move is just window dressing. They aren’t winning a thing. They got close when they got DRose against all odds. But still really had no shot. They need to bring in someone dynamic. Pay them a ton, they will be worth it. You won’t have to pay for bad players. You won’t be paying ex coaches. It is mindboggling how Gar and Pax get away with this. Bulls fans fill that arena all the time, and pay a premium price to do it, they are owed better. There should be notice given to these 2, yes you are 5-19, but make the playoffs or you are done.

He’s done a tremendous job. What other GM went out and got Cam Payne?

Is this a serious post? LOL

Sellers remorse on Kevan Smith?

I would say the primary reason is, well, Jerry Dipoto.

Not very much. $3M for Bonifacio and $2M for Gordo in 2015. Peanuts is todays game. But I agree...its nice to have internal options like Yolmer and Leury, even though at this point they're making close to the same amount. Yolmer and Leury are fine part-time/bench/2 week DL stint fill-ins, but neither should be getting everyday at bats.

I'd argue that Purdue's destruction of Ohio State was more impressive. It looked like college vs. high school when Purdue had the ball.

Familiar faces at the top of this list here. Rutschman 1, Vaughn 2, Carter Stewart checks in at 3.

We have just as much if not more. If Bryce or Machado sign with the Phillies it won't because they could offer more money

Ok

Sounds like you're not very good at blackjack.

FWIW, the Mariners insider on Reddit that has been giving out inside info doesn’t believe Seager gets traded due to teams thinking he won’t rebound from his bad season

Mitch Haniger is 28. Yelich was 25. Haniger had 1 all-star worthy (4+ fWAR) season. Yelich had 3. Haniger is a RHH corner OF. Yelich is a LHH centerfielder. Haniger has 4 years left of control. Yelich had 5 years left of control. The trade values are definitely not similar.

But now they can move Hoskins to 1B for sure.

I think there's a reasonable chance, because former steroid abusers in their late 30s do have a habit of hitting cliffs or getting hurt. But even if Cruz doesn't drop off next year - Palka at DH and a $10 million reliever >> Cruz at DH.

EE put up his first season with >2 WAR this year as a 29 year old. 2 years ago he was a 0 WAR player, and most other seasons he's been 2 at most. Yolmer is 26 and has put up ~2 WAR seasons each of the last 2 years. The only thing Escobar has done that Yolmer hasn't is put up a 3 WAR season, and he didn't do that until he was 29, and he's only done that once, and now he's paid more. These are roughly comparable value players. If the White Sox used their bench effectively, then Yolmer would be a very valuable piece.

Its not legit.

This is the most Illini post I've ever read.

Illinois has played dirty in recruiting, to think otherwise is being naive. They've got outplayed in that area many times. Our admissions are harder than most P5 schools, but they've made exceptions for the right kind of players as well. Whitman is starting to change that, he won't be able to change everything with admissions but they've gotten in guys like Verdis Brown when in the past they couldn't. What it comes down to it is really just bad hires and not supporting the programs financially (in the past). Whitman has given the money to the programs (close to the top of staffing dollars for both bball and football) and is upgrading facilities (sorely needed) so the last piece of the puzzle is hiring the right coaches. So far, both Lovie and Underwood have underperformed. They have paths to success but I think fans expected both to coach better and not have such extreme rebuilds. At this point, fans or non-fans expecting Illinois to be a powerhouse year in and year out is not fair, the rest of the Big Ten has gotten better while we've gotten worse. We should eventually be able to get back there and we have the fanbase and resources to sustain it similar to Wisconsin/Michigan State, but we are so far away from that brand again that we need to adjust expectations.

While it's awesome and sexy to be in the F/A market, if you're not close, whats the friggin point? This team is NOWHERE close to Boston and Houston (not to mention NYY, Cleveland) and if you put Big Maple AND Machado on this team we're still not in their class.

If they spend 100+ million on Corbin, I think the odds of getting Harper or Machado stay the same. Actually, the odds might even slightly increase.