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Well today, for example, he drove in his 100th RBI of the year, the 5th year he’s done so in a White Sox uniform, which places him third all-time in White Sox history in doing so. Only Paulie (6 times) and Big Frank (10 times) have done it more often as a member of the White Sox. But I digress - what was that you were saying about Alex Rios?

Abreu's second RBI today shows his value. 1st of all, he got the first RBI of the game (Hell, he batted in all of the Sox's runs today). Back on topic. The bases loaded against a young guy throwing 100 mph, less than two outs. You have got to put that ball in play. Anderson with his .330 or so average strikes out on three pitches. Abreu, and experienced veteran not in anyway in decline, gets his bat on a ball and the slow roller to 3rd scores the insurance run. You guys who complain about his bat slowing down and all that BS, that was a great at bat, great: a clear compare and contrast between Abreu and Anderson. Yes, he got lucky, but his skill was putting the ball in play to get lucky. And he will continue being this lucky for years yet. Pay the man: three years and at least 36 million. And if you think the Sox showing a valued warrior the respect and paying him what he deserves will keep them from signing some other free agent, you're just being ridiculous. If you have to reach to that level of fantasy to argue against Abreu's value and why he should not be resigned. You're already lost the argument.

The Dominican Summer League is over for the White Sox. Benyamin Bailey (OF) had a .477 OBP which was 4th best in league history. Johnabiell Laureano (CF) had a .980 OPS and 6 home runs. Manuel Veloz (18, RHP) had a 0.91 ERA over 39.2 innings and surrendered just 7 walks and 0 home runs. Ronaldo Guzman (16, LHP) struck out 13.2 batters per 9 innings.

Sheets walked his first three time up, then popped out, then hit a three run BOMB.

Dude, you're such a blowhard.

Scoring more runs that the opponent wins games. Runs occur, typically, when one batter drives in runners and/or himself. Jose has driven in 100 runs this year, and 72 of those runs were other players. Considering the revolving door of #2 hitters (I'll at least acknowledge that Leury as the lead-off has been consistent) and the lack of OBP by the bottom of the lineup, Jose has been effective in driving in runs. He's #2 in RBIs in the league and 6th in the majors. That's pretty good in my book. He's never been a great first baseman, and he's not getting any better. His walks are way down, and that's taking a toll on his OBP. He's not the same hitter OVERALL as he was. But he's till a run producer and a threat to hit the ball out of the ballpark at any time. For some reason, some fans love to shit on their own. Honestly, though, the population of Abreu haters on this board is probably as low as the Abreu worshipers. I think the majority of us like him and wouldn't mind seeing him around for a couple more years at $12-$14 million a year, especially with him taking on more of a DH role. He certainly still has value, and his value as a leader and mentor cannot be undersold.

I believe your question was what has Jose done that has been great. The answer is simple: he's driven in over 100 runs five times in his career, which places him third in all time White Sox history behind a Hall of Famer who did it ten times and a former All Star who did it six times. Driving in over 100 runs in the Major Leagues is a great feat. Not saying it's the end all, be all for gauging how good a player is, but to drive in more than 100 runs as many times as Jose has is, indeed, a great achievement on his part.

They didn't shed all this payroll to simply become one of the lowest spending teams in the game, either.

When you go out to lunch and there is a line out the door, do the people working there perform as well as when there is one or two people there? Some probably do, and might even kick it up a notch, others become overwhelmed. In my job, there are very busy times. Some people step up, some check out.

And I get where mathmatically it would be very hard to measure due to sample size, and like I mentioned before the randomness of the gaem where sometimes really good ABs have far worse results than bad ones. But it seems to be the industry standard, if it can't be measured, it doesn't exist, and common sense and everyday life makes you know it exists.

To think everyone will perform the same whether the situation is stressful or not, is ludicrous, whether it's baseball, or being an accountant or lawyer or cutting hair. Some people fold, some rise to the occassion when the chips are on the table. The object is to score runs. Jose Abreu has produced a lot of runs for the White Sox with very little help, it's hard to understand how some can't understand that.

Of course you are a guy who though Yonder Alonso was good. Yet if you looked at his advanced numbers, he's pretty much sucked his entire career, save one season. But go on a rant telling me I am stupid and using some slang to call me a girl. The bottom line is you have no idea what you are writing about.

And he has been his whole career, but I still think it’s important to point out his numbers in non-RISP situations are not great and have slowly gotten worse with time. That being said, I love Abreu and think it’s important we bring him back for next couple years if the price is right.

How about a .343/.370/.606 line with RISP?

To argue that RBI's are not important is ridiculous imho.

Comparing Cutler to Sanchez is nonsense. Who would you rather have? Player A: 3.1 INT % 7.1 Y/A 56.9 COM% 1.32:1 TD:INT Player B: 3.3 INT % 7.1 Y/A 62.0 COM% 1.42:1 TD:INT I think anyone would take player B. Player B is Jay Cutler. Player A is John Elway. The issue was Cutler was really bad when he was bad. But in 2010, he was really good, and when he broke his thumb in 2011, the Bears offense was rolling and he was playing great. When Elway was bad, he was average. Those games don't stand out. The really awful ones do, especially when one of them has rings. Even Steve Young, who notoriously HATED Cutler, ranked the Bears #1 in his power rankings in 2011 because of Jay. One of my biggest hot takes ever is that if he's healthy in 2010 and/or 2011, they win at least one Super Bowl.

Good post by vile. For some reason if I wrote this I think I'd be accused of trolling. The post has a cool rhythm to it.

When will these immature athletes learn to drink water like us professional message boarders?

I've been thinking about what I posted in this thread for a while, and really it does me no good to constantly b**** about getting the short end of the stick. Being angry and bitter does me no good, I should just move forward from here and try to make the best of my situation as it exists today.

That's what I think. A 13 K% is actually really good. A .250 BABIP says he's unlucky. Let's see what he does next year before we panic about his power. I learned a lot from jumping the gun on Madrigal last fall.

Kid has really put himself back on the map this year. Can’t wait to see how he responds to the juiced ball in 2020.

If the White Sox are competing against the Cubs, Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox, Giants, Astros, they are not likely to land that player unless they go well beyond the expected offers and just make an offer that the player would not say no too. I don't think it's likely a player will take a similar offer with the White Sox to grow with the young core if other premier franchises are in the running. I could see them looking at trade options just so they can land a key player who can help next season. I don't know if they will land the top of the free agent class, but I do expect that they will be in the market for a RF/DH (maybe both, but doubtful). They will be looking at the bullpen, but I don't understand the logic that had them giving Herrera the deal (2 years, 18 M) he got when his numbers were declining.. Still, I expect to see another veteran added there. I do think they need a #1 or # 2 type starter, but will this come from free agency or trade? Not sure if it's free agency if the teams mentioned are in on Cole.

I suppose you could count Robert and Abreu but they were not MLB Free Agents. So yes , I'd say Albert Belle . He did move to Nashville but that was more for himself and his family as opposed to some move to get away from the Sox . Hell I moved to California 35+years ago but might be a bigger Sox fan now than I ever was. But at least you are using his quote as your signature where he acknowledges the Sox might screw it up.

Literally how? They have like 26 million in guarenteed money next year. They have to spend like 60 million dollars just to get to the 90 million, bottom 3 in the league, payroll they currently have in a tank year. Are they going to sign Ivan Nova for 60 million AAV? I get being skeptical they land a guy like Cole but come on.

Did Fry impregnate the girl that tweeted about him giving her an STD because he was cheating on her or did he have a kid with another girl?

Collins BOMB.

Hard to say. He will definitely be in AAA next season, but can make some noise. I liked him coming out of Wake Forest. I just have a feeling Sox may try and deal from a position they have alot of (1B types) to fill a need.

There are people ITT that believe the Sox will be playing baseball games with a 90 million dollar payroll. Yikes.

Right. 2020 could be super fun, but it isn't time for primetime. Things could go great and they could find themselves in the thick of things, but I am not really expecting that. Over .500 baseball would be great. We're talking about potentially as few as 15 games. Chances are higher Robert spends more time on the IL next season than the amount he'll miss because he's taking at bats in Charlotte. There is no quantifiable evidence that Robert being up for the next few weeks would make any difference in next season's results. Shit some are projecting the decision to affect his whole career. Its non sense. Madrigal getting called up this year would be a serious rush job and wasn't even a point of discussion until a couple weeks ago. Most of you just simply won't believe it until you see it. I get it. If Sox go through the next two offseasons without signing a $100M player, I may just as big of skeptic. But for now, there is no evidence that the White Sox are now operating with one of the smallest payrolls in the league. The core is there. That is why they went through this painful process. They are going to add. They have legitimately a metric fuck ton of money to spend. They aren't just going to throw their hands up and spend it on shitty veterans just because Manny Machado signed elsewhere.

Why would we use MRIs and CT Scans and X-Rays to measure disease and diagnose injuries we have LEACHES. fWAR? bWAR? Gimme RBI. Main that shit into my veins bruh. Precision and accuracy? oof. That shit is for scientists and nerds and suckers true Glory is found in rubbing sticks together and hoping for rain. Doppler radar? Climate science? Farmer's Almanac.

It's not contrarian it's more like when have the Sox ever done what we expect them to do ? You and @Chicago White Sox expect them to sign some really good guys but if that doesn't happen what then ? Me and Jack really hope they sign some good guys too that allow the Sox to aim for the playoffs as early as next year. We just want to maximize the strength of the team when the window o[ens and not lessen its strength by guys like Madrigal and Robert who when they do come up next uyear might have an adjustment period as bad as Moncada and as inconsistent as Eloy. Maybe 2020 isn't a playoff year but it had better be in 2021-2023 before Gio and Yo become free agents. Maybe those are your 2 best guys going forward and it would be a big blow to lose them We cannot count on extending them both or even one of them. One of Kopech or Cease really have to reach close to their ceilings to replace him but it would be much better to have all 3 firing on all cylinders together. That's not likely to happen next year. It would also be really nice if Moncada Eloy and Robert can also fire on all cylinders together at some point along with GIo, Kopech and Cease. Could it happen . yes but how likely is it and also that other draft picks develop enough to help and Reinsdorf all of a sudden says signing anyone to big contracts isn't bad business anymore ? Waves of talent get smaller and smaller as the years progress and the Sox get worse draft picks and the talent leaves via free agency while the Sox still don't draft well , develop well , use all their international money or sign expensive free agent contracts. I suppose this off season will tell most of us all we need to know going forward but I wouldn't expect things to go as some of you expect. And I don't mean it will be better than you expect.

Waste this rebuild? Getting an extra year of Kopech would be huge. If all that takes is signing an extra free agent starter than by all means do it. And guess what, if Kopech is lighting up the world in AAA right from the start then we can simply adjust the plan and forego that extra year if we so choose.

Another hazard with Bum, is that he is pitching, not only in the NL, but in an extreme pitchers park.

Call it what you want to call it, but Wheeler has made more starts since 2017 than Bumgarner. He also has much less mileage on his arm and the stuff remains top-end. You’re too focused on the need for a lefty IMO.

They're certainly lacking in that regard but saying they're the worst is an overstatement, IMO. I'm sure that their use of analytics has something to do with the offensive emergence of Moncada and Anderson, as well as the turnarounds by Sheets, Stiever, Luis Gonzalez, and others in the minors. It can't all be luck

Besides that, I'm pretty confident in Giolito and Kopech being TOR starters. they should grab someone like Bumgarner or Wheeler that wouldn't be as expensive. I keep going to Bumgarner because the Sox are absolutely devoid of LHP starter options in the minors.

I'm referring to how you said you were no longer a negative nancy and then declared that the Sox are the worst organization in the league from an analytics standpoint based on a throwaway comment from Nick Madrigal

Also, from this exact thread, 50 hours ago...

Probably. Again, go read how Sox minor leaguers get drafted and their advanced scouting reports are significantly worse than those they got in college. That tells you all you need to know. If they're behind top D1 programs, imagine how far behind they are from the rest of baseball. This is the equivalent of taking a sales job and your boss giving you zero information about the product you're selling. They're not being given the tools necessary to succeed at their job. If I was a college or HS baseball player there is no way in hell I'd sign with this organization. None whatsoever.

So they are a decade behind the Reds, Rockies, DBacks, Royals just to name a few? That is a take based on absolutely nothing.

It's actually pretty obvious that is the case if you've been paying attention. Even if they do use some sort of analytics, they're probably a decade plus behind the rest of baseball. Go read what Madrigal said about their scouting reports. He said that Oregon St. was more advanced. That's pretty damning.

Joe Crede and Juan Uribe agree wholeheartedly...those guys consistently driving in runners from third and less than 2 outs were just some random lucky dudes.

There is no point in calling up Robert now. If they would have done it at the end of July or early August then it would have made some sense.

Get the crap out of here. Everyone is exactly the same at driving in runs. It is only a function of opportunity. Didn't you know that people can't focus differently in different situations? Don't you know that everyone handles pressure in the exact same manner? Cmon man. Join the revolution.

Well that's my point , they've been winning but no winner threads recently except for this one.Most of the discussion after the game ended was just going on in the game thread.

THAT'S why he didn't give up any "runs"---he didn't have any left.?

You can base it on his recent public statements. Nothing has changed in one regard: Jerry Reinsdorf has never liked giving interviews and hasn't trusted the media for years. He prefers to talk through others such as Harrelson and Farmer and now Stone. Reinsdorf has become a recluse of sorts, and I don't blame him in a way. He has taken a good deal of abuse although he has handed it out, too. In any event, the White Sox feel the media has not been fair to them and so they pick and choose how they do things. I think JR needs an up front and regular spokesman who fans know is speaking for him officially. The team has never manage media relations well.

The silliest thing to me is that his speed grade hasn't budged at all either. He had the fastest sprint speed in the AFL and in the Futures Game and he can't even get bumped to a 70. That's just ignoring empirical data for no reason. It's absurd to me.

Men giving birth is dead serious. Clearly you've never birthed a child.

Remember when men were men and were right back in the factory after they gave birth. Jeez.