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Greg’s schtick is stupid. There are thousands of better ways to spend your time.

It wasn't weeks but Shirley wasn't being truthful about that story. They didn't just see that he was off the board and start compiling a new strategy. Kiley McDaniel mocked Kelley at 47 for a reason. I was told that the Sox and Kelley had a pre-draft deal. I didn't find out about it until after he was selected but that's what happened. They knew they were getting Kelley on Wednesday afternoon once the salary demand was met.

Nice move to put the focus on the owners. Good set up for the CBA negotiations.

- Owners don't have to pay minor leaguers, which they long acted is a major expense. Hell, they've cut entire teams. - Owners don't need to do stadium operation costs. - Owners won't open the books - Owners keep proposing the same offer time and time again. They're bad faith negotiators who previously agreed to a deal. They could have possibly made profit if they started sooner, they didn't. This all lies at the feet at the owners.

CBSsports gave us an A. Baseball America called our class one of the five they were most excited about and considered both Crotchet & Kelley as top 15 prospects. Jim Callis considered Kelley one of the top three steals in the entire draft.

You have never engaged in an honest and open discussion. You have never acknowledged anything despite all of your pretending to not understand things that just happened to all fall along a single partisan line. If you ever want to drop the dumb greg act there are plenty of people who will engage you in an open and honest exchange. Until then don't come in here and demand satisfaction on some point while pretending to have been a full intellectual participant in this discussion. The day you drop the greg act, and actually act like the real person you actually are people will treat you with a real level of respect again. Until then, take your demands and stick them with the rest of the trash.

I like to say I take all situations individually and see what makes the most sense. I would say I'm fiscally conservative but not in areas like education. I don't necessarily support the owners in everything but when it comes to the finances it's just common sense. If the league doesn't generate enough revenue to sustain itself, there is no league. It's pretty obvious that there is financial issues. The league will have lost at least 2/3 of its revenue. You can make a valid case that the players shouldn't help the owners. In a normal CBA negotiation that true. However, this isn't normal and financial issues are real.

Huh, but I thought we punted on the last 3 picks and our draft was a waste? I could've sworn I heard how we did this draft all wrong, surely you must be mistaken.

https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2019/01/07/a-warning-about-major-league-baseballs-record-revenues/ This article reminded me that if baseball had just taken the players offer of 114 games at the onset, they'd probably have made enough money to not operate at a loss this season and build goodwill towards the future. But instead of not only can the owners not see the forest through the trees, they're just deciding to burn the forest to the ground.

The Wynn is opening up their buffet next week. Head to Vegas, take all the selfies you want....even stick you balls in the jello. Will that cheer you up?

That was going to happen regardless.

This. The owners are just full of shit. Always have been.

Talk about exploiting a situation to abuse the worker. Owners ought to be ashamed of themselves. Manfred has got to go, this guy is ruining baseball.

You dont need to listen to the owners figure it out for yourself. Revenues last year were 10 billion. Fans brought in roughly 3 billion. That leaves 6 billion from all other revenue likeTV, advertising, etc. If they play 1/2 of the games that another 3 billion loss. Hence the 2/3 loss. Its not hard. The big wildcard is the playoffs. That's why the owners have different scenarios for if the playoffs happen or not.

I know it's just a typo, but now I'm imagining "James Fox won't waive no trade clause for White Sox trade."

Maybe if owners hadn't insisted on paying minor leaguers poverty wages all these years, it'd be easier to listen them to cry poor.

Baseball owners and good faith. Surely you jest.

All unions renegotiate based on extreme circumstances. Our union had long negotiations to change our agreement based on the changes in the academic year. Its bargaining in good faith when circumstances change.

So for all of the posts directly to you and trying to educate you on your "questions" and general ignorance that you completely ignored, not to mention the garbage conspiracy that you have spread on a regular basis, now you are going to come in here and personally call someone else out? You have some nerve.

I absolutely love Crochet but I'm not nearly as high on Kelley as so many others are. Cole Wilcox was taken in the 3rd round. I would have much rather have him over Kelley. They also could have had two high upside HS pitchers like Ben Hernandez, Kyle Harrison or Carter Baumler for what they paid Kelley. We'll see how it works out but like I said this draft was so deep with high upside players I would have liked them get as many as possible.

Nope. He's signing.

Show me one post where someone argued the opposite

Excellent post. I root for the humans with you.

I'd love for you to acknowledge the hundreds of thousands of protestors marching close together and still breaking social distancing rules has not helped. I just wish people were fair and blamed all factors. For some reason the protestors get a pass. Just be fair and blame all factors please. I'll probably never get to eat a delicious buffet again because of this. And I'd like to blame a whole lot of people not just certain folks.

I recapped the 2020 draft for the White Sox here: https://www.futuresox.com/2020/06/13/premium-talent-the-focus-for-white-sox-in-2020-draft/ Premium talent was the focus but some trends seem to be forming for future years.

The White Sox were among the only 4 teams to get an " A" grade or better!!! (Det ./ Cws/Col./Pit.) by B/R . How do you like that ?................

Dang, good luck.

The governors are basically begging protesters to get tested. They have OPENLY called for that and admitted they are scared due to the large amounts of people. It’s a double swan at the moment for better or worse.

Demands? That deserves a chuckle. I've never made any demands on here. I just happen to think the peaceful protests and the unpeaceful ones are the biggest reason for the spike and the governors offend me by never mentioning it or even acknowledging it.

According to Andrew Marchard of the New York Post, MLB and Turner Sports have reached a new billion-dollar agreement to continue broadcasting postseason games on TBS and TNT. Exact terms of the deal have not been revealed. However, it is known that Turner Sports will retain rights to one league championship series. In 2012, Turner Sports committed to pay $325 million a year for a package that includes one league championship series, two division series and extensive digital rights, according to Sports Business Journal. That contract, which included 13 regular-season Sunday afternoon games, is set to expire following the 2021 season. During that contract, Turner Sports alternated broadcasting the ALCS and NLCS with FOX Sports. The report notes that ESPN/ABC was making a move to acquire more postseason broadcasts before the Turner deal was reached. If and when MLB expands its postseason, that would open up another opportunity for ESPN to jump in. That decision seems inevitable at this point given the money Turner Sports and FOX Sports have been willing to spend. In 2018, FOX agreed to pay $525 million annually for regular-season games, the All-Star game and postseason games through 2021. https://sports.yahoo.com/report-mlb-turner-sports-reach-billiondollar-agreement-to-broadcast-playoff-games-202757382.html When you start talking about additional contracts in the billions, a loss of $15-25 million on the season per team is nothing. If the operating margins are that thin, then just sell to another owner who can actually afford to run a competitive team. There’s always going to be interested parties out there with so many new billionaires in this tech/venture capital/hedge fund economy.

Cespedes won't be in NY after this season.

This is much worse for the White Sox though. They really needed expanded playoffs.

^^^

You miss it every time someone mentions it. @Balta1701 mentioned it last time you brought it up, I believe. not that it matters, why does their acknowledgment of it make a damn bit of difference? It doesn't.

Miami also has the Cuban factor not to mention the weather and I'm sure the younger Cespedes would love to potentially play with his brother in New York. Gonna be an interesting race between the 3 teams.

There is a de facto salary cap. In fact, it is one thing the union knows they got played.They gain nothing because crying poor has worked for years. The media has bought it, and held their water, yet they somehow come up with the coin to pay a James Shields $20 million a year.

The question is why won’t they open their books if they have nothing to hide and making money owning a baseball team is extremely difficult? It isn’t about the public seeing it. We know the answer.

Owners agreed to pay in March. To renege is disgraceful. Pay the players what you agreed already.

I've heard the White Sox, Marlins and Mets for Cespedes. The Sox have the most pool space. They can't trade for me. MLB isn't allowing the trading of pool space for this period and next one. They announced that during this shutdown.

He's good. He's the best pitcher in the international class. He slots in favorably with Matthew Thompson and Andrew Dalquist. Those guys are a bit of a troika.

I usually side with the owners...I'm far from a trump supporter and I'm not really conservative

Oh this reminds me that you have a dislike for business owners. We had a discussion a month or two on HF, right? But to me this is different than the real world. Because just about all of these people are filthy rich 0- both players and owners. the exceptions being the young players that havent been paid yet. I don't see why both sides can't meet in the middle. And for proposals, the owners are offering plans paying out similar dollars, but much different lengths of schedules. If the players are concerned they are risking their health, then one would think they would jump at the lower game total plans, right? Less games is less risk. But they want the opposite. How come? Oh we all know why, don't we?

Yes it's better than fine . It's mighty fine ! 2 high upside pitchers, one college, one High School , one lefty, one righty . Both considered among the best Meyer , Lacy, Hancock, Detmers, Abel, Crochet ,Kelley those might be the best pitchers to be drafted. 7 names and we got 2 of them. Sure some will fail and others not listed here will step up, but going into the draft those 7 stood out most. Kelley should eventually pitch in the halfway to St. Patrick's Day game.

I absolutely love this draft. They hauled in 2 of the best arms in the draft. I love it. I would trade my 2nd 3rd and 4th picks for another top 15 pick every time. And the great thing about the MLB draft, is that you don't even need a trade partner, just a willing player. In a way it is similar to what they did last year, except they traded for basically 2 second round picks. I love it. Get as much high end talent as possible.

Has anyone read any commentary on WS draft? Any of the pubs opine on picks? Any mention among Winners/Losers?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ I am not sure where your charts are being made up from but in terms of COVID deaths per million Sweden 481 Finland 59 Norway 45

I like getting whatever avenue gets us the best chance of getting an elite major league level player. Those guys cost money and aren't readily available. You can cheaply fill a roster with good players to surround them and those players are available all the time in FA/trades

I think Theo made some moves with the Cubs (specifically the Gleyber deal) which he wouldn't have made under other circumstances, but did due to all the pressure on the Cubs to win the WS. The next time around in that scenario, I don't think they make that move. Also they really didn't have the kind of Sale/Q/Eaton/DRob+Kahnle package of talent to dump (and Abreu also which was never done) when the new regime took over, so I think the Cubs started with less and were under pressure to empty the cupboards a bit faster. Overall I think they have done a great job obviously, I mean they won a WS and have been division champs mostly and legit contenders every year. We are hoping to equal that and it's absurd to hope to better that. We can't try to better it until we get at least 1 title first. But anyway, in a game built around pitching that always favors pitching (provided Manfred is kept under control) you really can never have enough, because you can never have enough backup starter, back-end relievers, or trade chips.

Y2Jimmy says the Sox staff think Crochet is a stud. You have to trust your people and Fulmer aside, the Sox haven't shown me anything that says we can't trust them on pitching. Given Crochet's upside it's a no-brainer to take him if that's what they think. Kelley, same thing. Given the upside, if he's their guy, that is great. On paper this was an attempt to gain the kinds of talent that really don't become available to you in a trade unless you are dealing the centerpiece in a major blockbuster, and the kind of talent that you don't see in FA until they're at an age where you're half-scared to sign them and stuck looking at $15-20M per plus regardless. I always want to see this kind of strategy. I wish they could have gotten at least 1 more player but I'm very happy overall.

Howard needs to do right by the Sox and turn down millions to go to school.