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- From early on in the rebuild, a message was sent that, while payrolls were being kept low, when the team was ready to compete, that the dollars would be there to add premium talent that would push the solid young core over the edge to perennial World Series contenders. The team struck out on Manny Machado, Zach Wheeler, and apparently never even gave Anthony Rendon or Bryce Harper a run. With the team knocking on the door of a championship window, and with RF a gaping hole in the lineup, this is the perfect use of that free agent money we've been told would be there when we needed it. - There's *no one* in our minor league system that we can reasonably count on to be a staring Right Fielder for the next 2-3 years. Any name you'd argue in favor of would be a huge disappointment for a team that is "going for it." - He'll command a 5 year contract that fits with our window. - He's expensive, but at ~$120M he's as worth it as paying for a big free agent gets. Even though 31 is older than you'd like for a free agent, that's why you're getting him at that price and not having to go to 7 years or something crazy. - The contract he'll command seems like the next logical step for a franchise that has been, let's say "careful" with free agent dollars. It should be close to what Wheeler was offered last year. Look, I'd love Trevor Bauer on this team but if he's going over $200M and over 5 years that's not how the White Sox spend their money. - His game is perfect for literally any lineup, but replacing our RF situation with Springer replaces the biggest offensive weakness with an MVP candidate. Here's where he's rank on our team based on his 202 stats: Runs: 3rd Hits: 4th RBI: 3rd HR: 2nd Walks: 3rd AVG: 4th OBP: 2nd SLG: 3rd OPS+: 3rd - Please, please do not say anything about him being a right handed hitter. Look at how he does against RHP. I don't think we're going to get him, because I don't really see us as a team capable of handing out a big check, but this is a better fit than any other free agent hitter that's been on the market. Plug and play. No one moves positions. Nontender Mazara, Leury is a super UTIL player (and a great one) and Engel is the best 4th OF/defensive replacement in the AL (maybe, I'm not doing research on that). All for around $100M? We've got that money, and it's better than paying for half measures like Pederson or a lesser option like JBJ. Those are consolation prizes, Springer is the big ticket.

Ok Mr. Know-It-All . Perhaps you are the attorney that can prove collusion beyond a shadow of a doubt. A least I can admit I am ignorant whereas you seem to know every teams financial status and that owners are conspiring to hold down salaries. You're just an armchair quarterback like the rest of us with an over inflated opinion of your own opinion. You may have the last word on the subject.

Absolutely no one is untouchable

One good thing about a Bryant acquisition is the 20 - 30 games Moncada is out nursing his hamstrings Bryant can play 3rd. Engel can play right field then.

I love the idea of plugging a genuine star in a hole that the Sox have struggled to plug forever. George Springer would be a dream come true.

Mets are targeting Realmuto first. I think that’s their focus right now

The White Sox offered 5/125 for Wheeler and the indication was that they had him. Sox have tried to land Springer in a similar fashion. This isn’t a Machado situation where you’re just waiting to get beat but it doesn’t seem like Springer is in any hurry and honestly he shouldn’t be. Everyone should wait for the Mets at this point. Stuff should start to move a bit after December 2 once the market gets super flooded. I doubt players are knocking down the door to play in Toronto though. They typically have to be the highest offer to land a superstar in similar fashion to the Sox.

If you want to sign a stud free agent it will always be a year too long.

Owners are just using this as an excuse to be cheap. They don't have to do it. This constant cry of poorness will be used in CBA negotiations. Players again are being screwed by league wide ownership collusion. The Chicago cubs are floating the idea of non tendering a player who was worth 5 fWAR two years ago to "save" money. They just spent hundreds of millions building up the area around the ballpark and starting a television network and they can't afford to put a competitive product on the field? Uh yeah, ok.... Baseball doesn't have a pace of play or youth problem.... it has an ownership problem. Collectively it's the worst group of owners in pro sports. the goal is no longer to win and have fun owning a team- whose value grows exponentially year after year. It's a shame.

5 years is too long for Springer.

I think the post proves he has some sort of source because if he thinks the Sox would sign Springer, trade for Darvish and take Heyward's contract just to waive him, he is pretty clueless on his own.

Give Ozuna, who teams feel is a DH, $100 million. Trade Vaughn. This is lunacy. Why do posters want the Sox window to be open as short as possible. We put up with losing to get guys like Vaughn, not to trade him away so the Sox can have their payroll locked and are one injury away fro 3rd or 4th place.

Yes..If it wasn’t for the wife of a non-tender candidate it would be the 1950’s again.

LaRussa is the Manager. Get over it.

Somebody get Ray Ray a body bag, because CaliSoxFan just murdered him!

Let's take on Joe Girardi's contract too. Throw the manager in that deal. They can take back LaRussa.

Not a chance in hell. Add 19 mil to the payroll and take the team out of the running for at least one significant FA + dump 6 years of a top SP prospect + dump our UT guy + dump our best MR, all to get a mediocre at best (likely worse) defensive RF with shoulder issues who has 1 year left and who we wouldn't even try to extend for purely baseball reasons, even ignoring the fact that he's a Boras client? Yeah not a chance in hell. The Sox would be about 1000x better off just signing Joc Pederson. And trading Stiever is really not something I would want to see them do, but the absolute low end on a Stiever deal needs to be Musgrove. And there's really no reason to even do that. This is a guy who should be allowed to develop further. I'm not surprised that some people here think he's basically a bag of balls in trade value but yeah those people are fools. From the Sox standpoint, Springer > Pederson > bring back Mazara > very many other options > a Bryant deal

Why do they need a left-handed bat if a righty crushes RHP? I’ll never understand this argument.

Absolutely yes, I would drive all three to the airpo... Metra station.

I’ll be honest, some of these posts seem like an echo chamber to what we’re posting on here. In this case, the White Sox having an edge over the Blue Jays is something several of literally just posted. That being said, I do think the Mets prioritize Realmuto & pitching and go with a lesser CF option.

Don’t you have something better to do!!!! Congrats

Nonsense. Ownership colluding to suppress salaries and pay is wrong regardless of income levels. Just because you like baseball doesn't mean everyone playing the game loves it. This is a job. And the Ricketts can't cover Payroll? Then they shouldn't own a team. And the fact that anyone here actually thinks the Ricketts can't afford a payroll has fallen for one big pile or bs.

An outfielder in his thirties has regression written all over it.

I generally agree, but the Ricketts have real cash flow problems though because they are so over-levered.

Maybe this shouldn't be a new topic but what is with all this talk about trading our young players away? I just don't understand the thinking behind it. it hijacks every thread with ridiculous trade ideas. Why does Vaughn's name come up in every trade and why are some posters in such a hurry to get rid of the guy? I heard it all last year and now this year as well. It's not a stretch to think he might end up being our best hitter down the road. Madrigal looks like a 300 plus hitter and all that with a bad shoulder. And I wouldn't trade Kopech until I see him for a full year without or without him being a possible head case. And I even saw Garret Crochet name come up along with Robert. INSANE. I will be sooooo pissed if we trade any of these guys. I don't care who we get in return like Snell or Marquez. And don't even get me started on Lance Lynn. Please!!! I don't post a lot but just felt I had to say it because I get nauseous every time I see these names come up. just saying

Come on, simple look at stats would show you Springer would have the best K rate besides Madrigal on the team last year from the main guys.

I don’t get it. The argument is this particular rhb doesn’t get killed by pitchers that are typically death on rhb.

Yes, the poor billionaires are struggling during this pandemic and can't afford to support their businesses. They just happened to have billions.

Man I damn near went cross eyed looking at this post until I caught that I’m you responded to a post about Michael Brantley with Jackie Bradley jr. Brantley is very much not positive in center.

Thanks for putting that in my head. Now nothing else will satisfy!

There is zero reason to tender him. He won't get anywhere near that from another team.. Offer him a couple of million if it appears you aren't going to get a big bat. If he turns it down, let him walk. I am not against bringing him back, but he will have to take his market rate which isn't very high.

Can Brantley really handle RF though? I'm definitely worried about the defense out there. Not that Nomar was all that great but I don't want to get worse. I just think of Brantley as a LF/DH at this point. I'd be interested in Starling Marte if the price is right. It's the Marlins so he has to be on the block.

Trade a song for Calhoun

NO!

I am sure they do, but they also suspended him for violating Covid rules by partying with friends when the Indians were in Chicago. I have read that his uncle Dan Plesac likes the White Sox and maybe Zach would rather play here than in Cleveland (who wouldn't, especially for this team?) This would be a costly trade...Perhaps Kopech PLUS Dunning or Cease and maybe Collins thrown on top.. or something like that. The thought of losing our prospects quickly makes me less excited about possible trade scenarios. We just don't know how good Kopech and Vaughn will be so how is their trade value determined ?

It goes beyond that. How many RHB do they have in a row before Moncada or Grandal come up? Ideally, you want those guys hitting 2nd and 5th, so from the 6th spot through the leadoff spot you have all RHB. That's easy to manage against. Fewer opportunities for the opposing manager to fuck up.

So Springer can only RHP if they start a game? That’s your argument?

Because if they have a LH bat then a reliever that is death on righties can stay in the game for a longer period of time. There are pitchers that are death on RHB and get murdered by LHB. It makes them easier to manage against, and it could end up costing them in the playoffs. The Yankees have had a wonderful lineup that's mostly right handed for a few years now, and they get killed in the playoffs because they're too easy to manage against. None of their LHBs are as good as a healthy Moncada or Grandal, but you get the point. Lack of lineup balance kills you in the late innings where matchups matter so much more.

This is the issue: the Sox need a RF, and they need a LH bat. I don't think that it's a smart idea to lock up all of this money in Springer......I'd go with the Pederson/Engel platoon this year, and hope that someone like Conforto hits the market next year and go give that money to him. If not, then they can figure it out later. It is possible that the Sox realize that both Jimenez and Vaughn are DHs long term and they're willing to move Vaughn for an upgrade in SP, while signing Springer for RF and getting someone else to play LF.

100% agree. And 5/$125M (or less) would be an absolute steal for a free agent of his caliber. While Anthony Rendon is a better player, he got 7/$245M or a $35M AAV just last year. Yes, he’s 15 months younger but does he really warrant an AAV 40% higher than George? Honestly, in a normal environment I would be shocked to see Springer get at least 6/$165M and possibly more. Add in the cheating baggage with the Astros and we have an opportunity here where a legit star is available at a below market rate. Teams like the White Sox who are traditionally risk adverse to super long deals (especially with pitchers) need to take advantage of situations like this when they arise. RF is our last positional hole and we have a perfect free agent waiting to be scooped up. I really hope Hahn, KW, & Jerry find a way to get this done.

I love that idea too! Lets get him!

It seems like we did buy last year. Abreu, Grandal, Keuchal, Encarnation were all big contracts. This narrative that we are cheap and never going to sign free agents and complaining we havent signed anyone here on Nov 28th is just Sox psychosis

Same.

Thanks man. I don’t have any specifics on money. I think $23.5 per sounds realistic though. No idea on number of years.

There have been several seasons of collusion through last year. It's why Reinsdorf squealed like he was Ned Beatty in Deliverance during the Cohen ownership vote, in a desperate attempt to keep out any owner who would actually have the audacity to put a competitive team on the field. It's the same reason he successfully blocked Mark Cuban's ownership bid. Thankfully, Reinsdorf is among the dying breed who no longer hold majority sway in the game, just as his kind was phased out of the majority view in the NBA a decade earlier.

Carlos Rodon's wife is what is wrong with professional sports. Who cares what some over pampered wife thinks on social media? Your husband sucks and will be lucky to get an MLB offer at this point. Please pipe down.

A Joc/Engel or Leury platoon would give you similar production to Springer at a fraction of the cost/risk involved. It almost makes too much sense for the Sox to do it.

Joc is such an obvious fit. Signing Joc and Bauer is the way to go.

Never Robert Jiminez Child Please Giolito Anderson Moncada Abreu Needs to be a top 10 player package Kopech Vaughn Crochet

Because you put an offer on the table that was stupid and might be $50 million more than any other offer the guy gets this offseason. If you do that, it'll get done.