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He was terrible, but once you’ve been declared a solid fielding veteran catcher, old time baseballers never bother to reassess that. It was Dusty’s problem last year and although everyone here understood what Dusty had brought, there was legit frustration because Dusty’s love for Maldonado hurt the team. Getz has done some things so far that I wouldn’t call obvious mistakes. This is the kind of classic, old school, baseball stupid mistakes I expected.

It's better than trading for Salvy.

I'd say "stick a fork in him" but all my forks are currently in Benintendi, DeJong, and Stassi.

Isn't BAL going to have a serious 40/26 man crunch in the next 18 months? They can't just hoard all these guys forever.

Hi there Sox fans. Long time Oriole fan here, stopping by to give my two cents on a possible Cease trade for O's prospects. While O's fan opinions on Cease vary, I view him as someone who is likely to slot in as the O's no. 3 starter (behind Kyle Bradish and Grayson Rodriguez), with the potential to be a TOR starter if he can get his act together fully. I don't see him as the ace he was in 2022, nor as the somewhat mediocre pitcher he was in 2023. I see him more as a guy who has posted an ERA+ of 113 in his career, and who has reached 111 or better 3 times in a 5-year career. I see a lot of White Sox fans really putting a lot of weight on his one great season, but at the end of the day, he's only done that one time in five years, and not in the most recent season. In fact, his most recent season was very disappointing, even if we can ascribe some of that to bad defense and/or bad luck. Saying that, he'd make a good addition for the Orioles, who are a little thin on pitchers, and I do like the upside if he can veer back towards his 2022 form. The O's are a much better defensive team than the White Sox and I think their coaching staff and analytics department have done a good job with our pitchers the last few years and could probably be of help to Cease. So what would I give up? Personally, I think a package of Kjerstad/Cowser plus Ortiz is about right, and I would consider throwing in a lower level prospect if necessary to close the deal. I don't see us giving up either McDermott or Povich as a third piece, because we are thin on pitching prospects in the upper levels of the minors, and dealing either of them would partially undermine the purpose of getting two years of Cease. I realize there are some rumors that the Sox want pitching back in any trade, and if that's true, either (1) there won't be a deal with the O's, (2) the pitcher will be someone further down in our system, or (3) the O's will downgrade the two hitters offered in the trade. Bottom line, I think the O's and Sox are pretty well matched so long as the Sox aren't too set on getting pitching back. Both Getz and Elias strike me as patient guys who won't get to their bottom line until they are forced to. So, if any deal happens between the two clubs, I think it will be in the second half of January or later.

Playing bad players is not going to help pitchers.

Final Jeopardy answer: In 2023, he managed to be worse offensively and defensively than Yasmani Grandal, while being over 2 years older. (Who is Martin Maldonado?)

Just for reference, BaseballProspectus graded Maldonado as the worst defensive catcher in baseball last year. That list includes Perez and Lee. https://www.baseballprospectus.com/leaderboards/fielding/

You're talking to the 22-time winner of the day right now - me!

I have no problem with signing relievers to 1 year deals.

Nobody's talking about savages, or how dickless Elias is for a day or so, now. You're welcome.

At least we have confirmed Harold is in fact Getz…one Soxtalk mystery solved

Eloy is not a feather in anyone’s cap, he’s a major disappointment. Yoan is a major disappointment. Pretty much all of them have been at best inconsistent so far, maybe save Robert. Had these guys been feathers in anyone’s cap, the White Sox wouldn’t have lost 101 games last year.

Other than we could spending the money on better flip candidates?

Yep, need all the leadership they can get since the manager is pathetic

I keep saying they're going to lose 110 games. I'm being facetious and yet...

Maldonado can’t throw a baseball to 2b any more so he might as well try throwing that.

Our Baghdad Chuck.

I can certainly see how Garfein keeps his job at Pravda....uh I mean NBCS Chicago.

I don’t mind going all defense, game calling at catcher. It’s going to be a very young starting staff

This is going to be the worst hitting team in baseball

You have to truly dig deep to defend your new GM by saying he helped develop guys like Nicky Delmonico and Seby Zavala. Just think where the Sox record would’ve been in previous years without Getz helping to improve these fine young ballplayers.

We’re just talking in circles at this point. Need some rumors.

Who cares? Play the kid.

Yep, especially if Santos isn’t 100 pct. God knows Crochet cannot be counted on. Fujinami is someone with great stuff that maybe they can rebuild and flip.

Gotta love the acquisitions with absolutely no upside. As usual, spending money on complete crap.

I was hoping the Stassi trade would make them not sign guys like Maldonado.

What the f***? Why?

He kind of has to be. His dad had an ultra-profitable law firm that generated his income. The son lives off the baseball team.

Korey Lee has options but I would just play him at the MLB level.

They just removed the bat part.

Eduardo Escobar would be another. Carlos Martinez's son had a decent run for the Cardinales. Chris The Dragon Devenski.

I love that Chris Getz must have been aiding Delmonico's breakout 2016 campaign in AA while he was in the Royals FO. But sure, Getz ran the ship from 2017-2023. A six year span. So far we've got Nicky Delmonico as the crown jewel of that. Let's look six years prior from 2010 - 2016 Chris Sale Jose Quintana Addison Reed Nate Jones Sergio Santos Hector Santiago Carlos Rodon Yolmer Sanchez Scott Carroll (normally wouldn't count, but you counted Yermin) Omar Narvaez Daniel Webb Leury Garcia I won't count Adam Eaton or Jose Abreu since they wouldn't count under the same criteria that I counted against Getz (highly ranked prospect acquisition / expensive foreign FA), but they also came through at this time. Players of note who didn't reach their peaks with the Sox, but made the majors with them Frankie Montas Daniel Hudson Marcus Semien Chris Bassitt Trayce Thompson But sure, Yermin Mercedes and Seby Zavala

Peter Angelos suffered a serious stroke in 2017 or 2018, and his mental capacity was seriously impaired. He’s had no role running the team since then. His son John took over oversight of the team and hired Elias in 2018 after the O’s collapsed that season. By all accounts, he has not interfered with Elias in any way, but he appears to keep a very tight leash on the budget.

Ha Those players didn’t provide value any more than any other team in baseball. Every team has replacement level players in the minors. The other teams develop several and make them better. Getz’ regime did not. In the same press conference JR stated KW and RH could turn the Sox around, he basically blamed them for Getz failure. I wonder if teams had been calling JR for years trying to get Getz because they were so impressed with the list of replacement level players you mentioned. Maybe, and I hope he will be a good GM. There was that one show where CEOs put on a costume and did lowere level jobs to see what was going on, and they didn’t do them very well. Maybe a guy who can’t develop players can be a good GM. It’s our only hope. There are plenty of indications that we’ve got ourselves a future starter in Norge Vera,” said Chris Getz, Chicago’s assistant general manager/director of player development. “We look forward to continuing his development.” Oops.

So who would you acquire to improve the team? Teams that are trying to compete don’t acquire Paul DeJong as their starting SS, Nicky Lopez as their starting 2B, and Max Stassi as their starting catcher. They may improve the defense but their offense is going to be downright offensive.

Then he can enjoy more first round exits in the playoffs, or even the WC game the next couple seasons. The O's might not even win the East consistently the next couple years.

That’s sure is one massive pile of crap to describe as “useful”.

The risk of Cease getting injured between Spring Training and the trade deadline and getting a diminished or no return for him is not one worth taking. And if he suffers the dreaded TJ, we won’t be getting anything for him at all before he hits free agency. Getz has to get this done before Spring Training, period.

Again, doesn't really matter but Bradish career ERA+ is 110, and Grayson's is 97. So if that's the measure, not sure there is much support for that claim. Cease's ERA+ past three seasons is 131. That seems like a better measuring stick, which includes both a Cy Young runner-up season in 22, and season where most went wrong in 23.

Yeah it’s common for every fanbase - not just the O’s.

No he is here also being lazy no worries about that

Teams know the Sox suck and are running out of assets to trade to try to claw their way back to respectability. They also know Reinsdorf won't extend him . They also know holding him is risky for the Sox if his ERA is once again 4.5 before the deadline. A 4.5 ERA is not what you want to be starting in the 2nd game in a 3 or 5 game series. Getz getting good defensive players is likely prep for making his pitchers tradable at the deadline. They probably don't care much about winning right now as much as they do trying to bring in more legitimate talent. Anyone thinking the Sox can actually compete by keeping him is sadly mistaken. Their best plan is to keep Cease, Fedde,Kopech and Soroka numbers as good as possible and hope to trade them all. Cease preferably before the season starts. This is why they want more pitching prospects . You need to remove those 4 guys from any equation moving forward very shortly. You can probably say the same thing about Scholtens and Toussaint. That's why Getz will not have any rookie in the starting rotationuntil it can't be helped. Anyone trying to split hairs thinking less than 100 losses again should readjust their thinking if you think a 5 or 10 game improvement is any sign of progress. That's not a goal right now which is also why Grifol wasn't fired. He's got a contract. No good reason to pay anyone else. That's a JR move if I ever saw one.

It's a late addition, but this has to be post of the year.

The Reds are leaking for effect. Honestly, I take that as a sign that Getz is holding his own.

No I mean the reported packages. When stuff like this gets out, especially in context of what was asked, there’s no point in discussing reds. These packages aren’t happening.

If teams will not pay the price for Cease then keep him.

Lopez went from starter to reliever. Gio needed to go outside the org to fix himself. Kopech has massive talent and it's gone nowhere. Eloy had a great rookie season and nothing since. Moncada is basically the same player that he was when he came over from Boston, after debuting in Boston. Cease and Robert he can get credit for. But let's get some others: - Crochet is being mismanaged (you can blame KW/Hahn for this) - Vaughn was rushed - Burger had to go to a collegiate league to develop himself before getting added to the 2020 alternate site - Sheets trained himself to be an OF - Alec Hansen, Luis Basabe, Luis Gonzalez, Blake Rutherford, and Ian Clarkin all had various degrees of squandered talent. - Madrigal lmao. It's been said that Sox prospects enter the system with their strengths and weaknesses — and they pretty much keep those exact same strengths and weaknesses. It's hard to see proof that argues against that. If Getz's track record on producing players relies on trades for Top 50 prospects and $25M signing bonus LatAm players - and even THOSE aren't all hits - that's not a good track record at all. Now, he's in charge, so let's see if it changes with him running the whole thing, but his track record doesn't scream success.