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It doesn't make any sense, Fathom. I don't buy it. You can't completely rule it out because White Sox, but I refuse to believe this is actually a thing. Even more insane is trading Robert for a busted prospect with the same amount of control. If that's Robert's value, not holding him and hoping for a big first half is ABSOLUTE INSANITY.

It’s hard to consider Sale and Crochet development wins for the minors. They developed at the major league level because their talent was just that great

It’s such a bummer to read something like this. The Sox are bad because Jerry Reinsdorf fucking sucks at his job and he deserves every bit of failure that comes with it. The only unlucky ones in this scenario are the fans. They don’t deserve this.

Crochet + prospects for Lux? Who says no?

Everytime I see Baltimore mentioned I roll my eyes

Idk. Don't get me wrong, nothing Getz has done with the roster has been great. The Cease deal was a C+ at best. They should have done better. But it wasn't a complete disaster. I hate(d) the Fedde/Kopech deal and always felt it was a good prospect short, but you have to also consider the fact that he a) signed Fedde to begin with; b) while Vargas SSS w/ Sox was an unmitigated disaster, he's probably not that bad, and you can make a decent argument that he was the highest pedigree prospect moved at the deadline; and c) Fedde probably just didn't have much value. I also think Albertus and Perez are pretty interesting. Nothing else he has done is really that terrible. He's obviously overhauling the way the org is structured which is the most important long term, imo. Now, if Getz does any of those disgustingly terrible ideas Harold claims are on the table, i'll change my tune.

None of this makes any sense.

While I am not advocating for trading for Abreu is the headliner (think he would be a fine 2nd piece), comparing the ages of Crochet and Abreu is worthless. Control is what matters.

Nobody is ignoring that. You are operating in a logical scenario, and the White Sox do not exist in that scenario. in a vacuum yea great let’s keep him and build around him. In reality it’s just not gonna happen, this ownership does not do that. You are not arguing with US, you are arguing with our understanding of how THEY operate

Robert + prospects for Lux. Crochet + Benintendi for crap. You and Getz really have a rock solid plan in place to fix this shitshow!

Wasn't it literally like once each decade we had a top-5 (or top-7) payroll? 3rd largest market in the league, and we have a top-5 payroll once every 10 years or so? You become terrible by not developing the prospects you get in return. Letting players walk (Rodon) is bad, but good teams turn prospects into good players. We do a terrible job at developing prospects. Therefore, we are a bad team.

lux sux why do I keep thinking your avatar of aj pierzynski is the vice president-elect? the beard only highlights the weak chin, it doesn't mask it. somebody needs to tell these guys.

Those last 2 came in a deal for a guy who was one of the worst SP and another guy who was one of the worst RP that year so not really the same page.

Just to remind folks, we saw this article again and again last year about Cease. In the end, it was basically all coming from Getz, leaking to try to drive a market when one didn't exist.

I’m 90% optimistic that Getz will get a really good package for Crochet. The other 10% fears that Harold is Getz and we are going to do something really stupid.

If Abreu is the headliner that is a loss

Heyman reporting Sox should get a blue chip prospect and more. Seems to think it will be a huge haul.

That's fair. I'd trade basically a lottery ticket or two for the chance he has a good year to flip but I'm not trading anything more valuable than that. Don't really want him either.

How would that be a bad deal for the Sox? By the way.. The Orioles would say no, rather easily.

I think the point is that you're not going to get highly touted prospects/MLB players for slot money. More lottery ticket type guys who can blow up and would you be a huge win or would fizzle out and you would forget they even had him.

Welp, the other worry is Moncada. An injury in the first half to Robert and not only do they pay his whole season salary but his option is declined next offseason and they get nothing for him.

It might be fun to watch all of baseball clown on Getz and Jerry as they lose 130 games and Getz keeps going "we're working on the fundamentals."

I will not be paying $360 a year to watch three bad teams. Looks like twitter and ESPN updates for me

It’s just so insane. We desperately need controllable talent and Harold is looking to dump a bad contract that we can afford and acquire an ok player with limited control left. I refuse to believe Getz would actually do this stuff, but if he does, dear god are in we trouble.

Who is ignoring that Crochet is 25 years old and is a legit ace? We all watched him last year and saw how dominant he can be. The problem that you refuse to accept is that this org is an absolute trainwreck right now and Crochet only has two years of control left. You seem to think that we can both make up 45+ games vs. the competition over the next two years and that Jerry will be open to a big extension for Crochet that keeps him around beyond Y26. And that’s awesome that we have three top 100 positional prospects and three years of control left with Robert. But guess what, most other teams already have a halfway decent to good lineup plus a wave of prospects coming. We literally finished 20 games behind the second worse team in baseball because we have no offensive talent on the major league roster outside of Luis. Three decent prospects is not nearly enough, especially when none of them are elite ones. And good luck if you think we can fill four or five spots in free agency. Look at the results from the C tier free agents that we’ve signed in the past and expect a lot more of that if we have to spread our financial wealth to that level. IMO, we are looking at three years minimum before we have any real shot of being even .500 and that’s if we hit a homerun on a Crochet trade and find a way to recoup some value from a future Robert trade. As good as Crochet is, holding onto him and using our financial resources to extend will likely slow things down vs. getting two quality positional prospects and having an extra $30M to play with in free agency when the time is right. It’s really that simple.

Awesome, hopefully we can win a World Series in the next two years then.

Trading Crochet is such a no brainer. I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone that understands (a) where the Sox currently stand; (b) how the white sox historically have operated; (c) the dearth of high end positional talent; and (d) Crochet's general risk profile, current value and contractual status; can possibly believe that retaining Crochet is in the organization's best interest.

I say no to that garbage as well. Lux makes absolutely zero sense for the Sox being a mediocre 2B with only 2 years of control left before he hits free agency, all while the Sox are pretty much guaranteed to suck. Which is probably why our awful GM will trade for him — because it makes no sense.

I personally want nothing to do with a dodgers trade for Crochet, we were already fleeced by them at the trade deadline. Go after someone else’s prospects at this point

https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/al-comeback-player-award-2024?partnerId=it-20241115-11712412-cws-1-A&utm_id=it-20241115-11712412-cws-1-A Garrett Crochet 2024 AL Comeback Player of the Year

It seems pretty damn obvious there is going to be a market for Crochet, though. The shine on Cease was for sure low at the time. The time to move him was the 2023 deadline.

Here’s the article… “Garrett Crochet to draw in big haul for White Sox“

He actually has to win a major trade first...or it will be just like the Bears and developing a QB. (Or even not messing up already developed prospects.)

My guess is it would look something like Abreu + Mayer + Perales + Jordan in a deal with Boston. I’d be good with that.

If you actually listened McAdam’s interview he implies that one of the big four would be included but two of them (Anthony and possibly Campbell) are off limits. So if Mayer is included in the deal is Abreu really the “headliner”? I guess but Mayer is a damn good prospect in his own right.

The reality of what? That is some guy talking.

1. Service clock already ticking 2. He’s a second basemen 3. Struggled in MLB (yes, he’s super young but so were the two other Jacksons) 4. Need more than one player in return for Crochet unless said player is a proven young star like Jackson Merrill

FWIW Eaton was 25 when he was here, played great, and his value rolled over to netting us Giolito, Lopez, Dunning - so you can still win a few games and then move him for something else at his peak if you get him. You have to trust your evaluation of the guy though and thread that needle perfectly. Harder now to get a Giolito type name in a trade. Those days seem gone. You have to uncover diamonds in the rough.

Yep. If Getz had a shot at a franchise player, a new young face for his crappy team, he would jump at it in a second. Especially for a pitcher with two years of control that everyone and their grandmother knows that Jerry won’t pay for. The Orioles wouldn’t even make the offer.

BeCaUsE hE dIdN't Do WeLl HiS fIrSt CaLlUp As A 20 YeAr OlD.

This is like arguing about Chris Sale getting traded, and some fans not understanding no one WANTS to trade him, but they understand the situation the Sox are in. I don't think they are going 9-8. Neither does Dick Allen. We're simply stating how he would stay

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with this. Out of the three prospects you mentioned today they are: now the #5 overall prospect (Jobe), a 24-year old that has been inconsistent but already has a 30-plus homer season and still three more years of control (Torkelson), and a good-glove backup catcher with upside and 5 more years of control (Dingler). As of today, Jobe alone makes that trade a win, even if Tork never figures it out. You're trading a guy with only two more years on your team that just lost almost every game in the season. You can't look at this like a snapshot -- taking things one year at a time is exactly why the White Sox have delivered you exactly one flukey championship in the last 100 years. I mean, are you suggesting Mayo and Holliday are busts? Neither of them even has HALF a season under their belts. Coby Mayo is 22 years old dude. You know who else was sub replacement at 22? Paul Konerko. Jackson Holliday is TWENTY.

because some of us don't recommend dumb ass moves just because our owner is a cheap ass. No where does it say that my strategy/process should change because our ownership doesn't know how to run a business. If you want to change how you approach process because of poor leadership, so be it, but I certainly am not going to change what I view as optimal just because Jerry sucks. This would be a lot like making horrible trade proposals in our trade proposal threads just because our GM sucks and can't evaluate talent... no one would do that because no one says, well "I'll just take less because our GM is dumb."

At least Miguel Vargas is off the board this time.

The Sox are the ugly guy at closing time. We get the drunks and the really hard up.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if JR is sick and preparing his heirs to sell the team as quickly as possible. He's pouring his money into turning the UC are into a real estate sports complex much like Wrigleyville so his heirs can keep the Bulls and sell the Sox and profit on the Blackhawks rebuild Stripping the Sox of any long-term money insures he doesn't devalue a team already worth $2B. At this point he's not taking any significant amount of money and reinvesting it in the Sox . They are literally a lame duck franchise. Anything to do with the 78 property is subterfuge. He's just letting Getz fiddle with amounts of money insignificant enough not to do any damage. Youre getting $85M to hire, fire ,restructure who or what you want to spread out among everyone including the 26 man roster. Go crazy Getzy. The commish can't do anything about it as long as I appear to be trying.

nicky seemed like a nice guy

Wow, Garrett Crochet has not been willing to publicly criticize his "Employer". Wow. I mean, that clearly proves he loves their work. After all, everyone is willing to criticize the "People who write their paychecks", right? That's the old saying, it is simply to get a person to believe something when their paycheck depends on them not believing it. This is just dumb. The dude clearly, deliberately sabotaged any efforts to trade him publicly, while declaring how happy he was and oh really wouldn't you mind just a gigantic contract extension? And you're right he doesn't hold all the cards. But he's made his position very, very clear. He was pushed hard, early in his career and he's recognized that this is a threat to his earning potential, so his 1 and only goal is a long term, big money contract extension. If he can get that here, great. If not, he will do whatever he can to protect his arm, including refusing trades or refusing to pitch in the playoffs, to protect himself, after the abuse his arm took.

If the White Sox have decided that they are dumping Robert, I can't say I'd be furious. I fully believe they have completely screwed up his mindset and work ethic, and if they don't believe their coaches can fix it, they will be right. Taking "Whatever the best you can get" is for Robert, at this point, I can follow that. However, if the best you can get is a guy who is already in arbitration, yeah just hold him. At least give me one of Getz'z A-ball specials that the Getzlyfans can oggle for a few years until they're out of the sport. Better chance of being useful.