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and if we had Mune it might be different. Give me a break with that s%*#.

Nice gesture

What I wonder is how much this trend may or may not have changed? I'm not surprised but is it actually different (but this feedback is based upon long-term views and biases which have yet to shift or merge at this level) or is it really still the same. I won't pretend to know but I could see these being a lagging indicator relative to what we are seeing on the field which seems to be indicative of some true changes from a development perspective.

Home losses wouldnt sting so much if they could do literally anything on the road

Wikelman Gonzalez has been moved up to Winston Salem to continue his rehab

First, there's something to be said about sample size. Anyone with even basic knowledge of statistics could tell you the results of this "poll" are not worth taking seriously. Plus, who did they survey? Players who now play with the Sox? From a few years ago? Second, this current team looks to be all in for each other and the team. If you were to interview these guys, you'd probably get a much more positive picture. Third, what's the point of posting something like this when things are FINALLY going well? We've all been miserable Sox fans for the past 3+ years. Let's actually embrace that the team is winning, and it's a team of really likable players. Enough with finding things to be miserable about, especially when it's something stupid like this.

Buddy, Caulfield is still concerned about Dave Wilder.

Sounds like you wanted this post to be your own echo chamber and its not working out that way.

I say this over and over. I don’t give a s%*# who the announcers are. If the Sox win that day, whoever it was were the best announcers in the world.

The only enjoyment you get out of the Sox is in talking bad about them, even in a great season.

Yep, we all know JR sucks. Nothing new here.

Grichuk and Newcomb have been excellent additions to the club.

Antonacci needs to become full time 2B in the coming years.

Good thing it’s a completely different person for a completely different sport.

Posting about how Dominguez can't close games or how the bullpen overall is lacking or Venable's use of Colson at 3rd or even how bad an owner JR is are current issues that are not positive. These are the things we should be talking about, and rightfully so. This original post is seemingly old news, talking about conditions that have most likely improved greatly. And the "data" is bad with an extremely small sample size. It reeks of "things are going well, and I don't like that, so here, read this!" We should be talking about the good and the bad...in the present and future. Everything is not all roses and sunshine. There's plenty to discuss about what still needs to improve. We already lived through the dark ages of terrible teams - on and off the field.

We need Vasil to fix this with his magic.

Regardless of the potential validity of this, I can’t wait for Ishbia to take over. You know no matter where we stand now, after he has had a couple years with the reigns, we’ll have one of the most modern franchises in the sport.

This was started in February and they asked 100 players from 23 teams. That is an extremely small sample size. And the quote about the video room sounds like something that particular player heard about years ago and doesn't align with how things are today.

I think we give players too much credit for knowing much about what is going on outside their own 26 man roster or hell, even their own locker. These guys are locked in. Give it a few years. The Sox keep winning and developing players like Sam, Vargas and Colson -- with Ishbia incoming, perception will change.

That's not really how illness works.

Tray, why do you keep lecturing everyone about the pitfalls of private equity? This isn’t about that. This is about your personal experience and relative nearness to the park being affected. I get that, it suck’s that maybe in 10 years you won’t be able to walk to a game anymore, but you are just arguing nonsense anymore. This isn’t even a discussion much, the people who actually come here to discuss this have largely muted you because of the nonsense. I have said it before I will say it again, your position is noted. We all are aware. Thank you for the Private equity lectures

Again, this is exactly the ownership structure the White Sox have had since 1980. The only preposterous things being proposed are that the scary nightmare scenarios aren't already happening today. -Jerry owned less than 20% of the team when it was purchased, meaning 80% of the purchase price was leveraged from other investors, while Jerry maintained full power and control. -Jerry had not one, but two baseball stadiums built to get his team into a market, not as his expense, but at taxpayers expense. -Jerry's group is the only franchise in the history of MLB who has yet to award a player a $100 million contract, and has multiple hall of fame candidates, such as Harold Baines, Frank Thomas, Chris Sale, etc either allowed to walk away in free agency, or traded so Jerry wouldn't have to pay them out of his own pocket. Jerry’s group ran up a reported 9 figure debt, including a reported 6 straight seasons of deficits, all while running one of the smallest and cheapest operations in baseball, with the majority of that time spent cutting expenses so Jerry wouldn't have to spend his own money. It got so bad, Jerry had to beg Ishbia to NOT buy the Twins and put up an emergency capital infusion in exchange for the option to buy the team in a complicated and manipulated sales set up primarily for tax avoidance so Jerry can (recognize the theme here yet) not spend his own money. But please continue to threaten us with things that Jerry has been doing for almost 50 years with the White Sox.

I know they took the series and that is worth noting but to me this one hurt again like Sunday. After that 9th inning they had momentum then in the 10th, bases loaded, one out and you can't get the guy home from third? Fundamentals, pure fundamentals. God I hate the friggin' Manfred rule with a passion. Get the day off and see what they can do against a K.C. team that is (or was) missing some key players. They should have swept these bastards today.

This is also why we need to stop hitting Meidroth so high in the order. He is not a run producer and putting him up there switches his whole approach IMO

First time I have all year, too! Palepalesox over here.

I mean, if Colson didn’t botch that play the inning is almost definitely over with zero runs in.

We've had a lot of traffic. Let's put some runs on the board this inning.

This is Sox related news that was literally published today, this is a Sox related message board. Get a grip people. People act like he went and dug up some months old story just to stir the pot. This team is 4 games over .500 with a negative run differential and they play in the worst division in baseball, in a terrible AL so far this year. Stop acting like this is some magical season that is being s%*# on.

True story. My mom sang on a popular, local Polka lady's radio program. My mom was 16 when a 14-year-old Lil Wally asked her out. Aside from the age yuk, she figured he was just trying to get on the radio show. She turned him down. We always told her we could have been a rich music business family. But that album, right there, that's a party!

How many of the 73 respondents are active players or played with the team last year. I hope the answer is a high amount for your sake, because you have drawn so many conclusions here.

JR hasn't spent or invested in the minors and the other stuff - they have always cut corners there. The impression has been that Getz has clearly not spent on the roster, but he has made more investments in the infrastructure. Whether that puts them on par or not, probably not - you can't just throw money at something that was ignored while rest of the baseball world advanced...but you can still make progress and that progress takes time. I'm just not going to be lazy and say ha we still suck...nor am I saying the opposite. And I do think they are still a far way away from being some world class organization - but is momentum at least moving them forward (after years of heading in the wrong direction).

I didn't expect this to offend people, but here we are I guess. It's sad to see Soxtalk turning into an echo chamber where people only want to hear their opinions reflected back at them. The best days of Soxtalk were the days where different opinions were debated heartily.

Just wow! Even when things are going so well (Cleveland rearranged their pitching staff to throw their best starters at the Sox and lost both games anyway), people are still working really hard to find some source, some aspect to complain about. Just wow. Plus, whatever this poll says, I would bet 95%, at least, of the current White Sox players are very happy (not just content) to be on this team, in this organization right now. It’s so obvious.

https://www.mlb.com/milb/scores/all/all/whitesox?affiliateId=mlbcom-milb Pretty sure my luck won’t be much better. The pitching is thin pretty much at every level.

Do you know who said what - for all you know this is mainly former players who are sticking to the same themes of the past. When were the question9s) asked, etc. And proof is in the pudding - I don't think anyone is going to rave given where they were for the past few years...takes seeing production for the voice to change. Those are facts - barring some wholesale change in owner(s) which might drive a more rapid / clearer view of difference. I have seen more positive player vibes this year than the past 5 years combined - so that seems to be coming off. Whether that is in-spite of everything else or not, I don't know, but quite a few players including vets have talked about how unique this club is and team is to the positive (again - that could be in spite)...but there is some early data implying that there could be some real progress (could also be nothing). But the video room comment - is that still true or is that a quote that is based upon how it was 3 years ago (a reporter close to team should be able to figure that out).

How do you infer that the current players didn't have nice things to say based on this article alone?

I think, for the most part, fans overrate the developmental piece of an organization and underrate the personal and family support piece. These are jobs. Teams who offer great perks with food, famil and personal accommodations and travel while also investing in winning will always come out on top. You can't make a "career" with the White Sox without sacrificing pay and other things. Rays win and provide amazing development opportunities but they cheap out on accommodation and salary so they're always here.

Let’s get a nice 7-2 win or thereabouts.

Gonna luck out on the rain if it stays north. And it should.

“Come crashing down” from what?? It’s not like he’s batting .325 with 13 home runs. He’s batting .270 with 6 homers and plus defense at 2nd base. What he’s doing now he can easily continue for the next ten years and probably improve on everything. He’s just a very good, solid player who does a lot of things to help your team win. This is one of your sillier posts.

Be cool of Jacob Gonzalez can show a little something before he continues his journey in AAA

It's a private transaction. Do you expect them to publish the contracts? Absurd. Be "concerned" all you want, but your information rotates between misleading, false, lies, and damned lies, and thus will be challenged.

Thinking through this more, I think we need one SP and one or two relievers, including at minimum someone who could slot into the closer spot. I will continue to shout Gray’s name for the SP spot. A top three of Martin, Gray, & Burke is good enough in a season like this. Schultz as the #4 starter is fine if healthy. Kay isn’t good, but is competent as the #5 for now. Ideally one of Shane Smith, McDougal, Sandlin, Hagen Smith, or Adams can knock him out of the rotation with time. Some of the others can eventually reinforce the bullpen. No thoughts on a specific closer option, but we definitely need someone who can slot into the 9th if we want flexibility to use Taylor in earlier, high leverage innings. Hudson & Newcomb are your other high leverage guys. Dominguez can be a middle relief guy. Need three more relievers from the pool above, the various AAA arms, and possibly trade. But really don’t see an internal option for the 9th that we would feel good about.

I loved the defense, Colson makes it look so routine, what a stud. Vargas at first was picking it, and Romo throwing out a runner was the cherry on top.

They can deal for upgrades without them dealing top prospects. They’d be of the rental variety.

Meets the requirements for washed up. And a choker in his day too. It’ll only take three prospects. 😄Seriously don’t sell the ranch. This bunch has a window. Oh. Got a call from my Cubbies loving nephew. He went to the game. We’re catching on.

Not to be greedy but how about just taking 7 straight from Cleveland and putting these fuckers in our rear view mirror.

41 wins and it’s not even September yet!

If we’re gonna win this one it’s gotta be of the 1-0 or 2-1 varieties.