BrittBurnsFan

I enjoyed Fregosi but I was a kid...I loved his successor! Torborg might be my second favorite White Sox manager!

Thanks for pointing me in this direction! I enjoy going back in time...

Dang...just looked at the boxscore...wish the entire game was on YouTube...cuts off in the 7th inning when it was raining so I thought maybe that was it? Nope...there was some action that takes place after that point: https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA198805150.shtml

I apologize if this should be in one of the other forums but wasn't sure...

Anyone ever go back and watch any "old" White Sox games on YouTube? I have found myself diving into deep nostalgia and watching some games from Comiskey. Just brings up so many great memories (not necessarily the play or the teams...LOL), just fun to be able to see the Palace again and hear the voices I listened to and see the players that I cheered for growing up! Last night I watched this one which isn't an entire game (unless it was rain-shortened) but had some fun highlights and reminded me how great of an analyst Paciorek was!

Yeah...I get that if that scenario occurs then we will look foolish. However, there is a reason Boras is happy with not getting a QO...the QO would limit the teams that might have been willing to sign CO. What if his 3 year deal is worth $40 million? We will never know if he would have accepted a QO because one thing we can all agree upon is that you can't take Scott Boras at face-value! He is way too good at his job!

I know 2020 was an odd year and denied pitchers the opportunity to build arm-strength in game situations...but I just don't see how a team (well, any team other than the Dodgers...LOL) could risk a long-term deal on Rodon!

Age is the only reason I could see Semien ending up with the White Sox...if he were still in his 20s the White Sox wouldn't even bother to schedule the meeting!

Hope so! I know none of us know the outcome obviously...but I wonder if any of the changes to the MLB structure/relationship will be major? The DH being added to the NL would be major in my opinion...any others?

So...what is a win for Rodon this offseason? Is it a 1 year deal for more than the QO would have been? Is it a 2 year deal worth $20 million? Or is it something like a 1 year deal for $10 million? I am interested to see what he gets...so much innuendo regarding his arm/shoulder/fatigue stuff! At the moment the White Sox know more about his health than any other organization...and they passed (at this point). This one is curious to me!

I hope Benetti gets whatever opportunities he is hoping for...but selfishly I hope he is calling White Sox games for a long long time! He is just great! I loved Hawk as well...I feel fortunate to have experienced Hawk in his hey-day (he and Paciorek were incredible together) as an announcer and now we get to listen to someone as good as Benetti! Benetti deserves any opportunity he gets!

Rodon is an interesting case. I wonder what the number is/would be for Rodon/Boras to "hope" for as a justification to turn down a QO? If the QO is $18 million...would they be satisfied/justified in turning one down for a 2 year $40 million deal? Or would they view that as a lost opportunity to cash in by taking the QO and earning a much larger contract than $40 million over 2. Lots of unknowns in regards to Rodon and his health.

True...although I think it was Charles Barkley talking about those types of contracts (in the NBA) and pointed out that the money guys are getting paid at the end of those types of contracts is almost always money being paid to you for what you HAVE done...not what you are able to do at that moment. He is right...so it may be ugly at that moment for the organization but if the players were lighting it up during their primes...the organization got what it wanted.

But what if he had found another arm like Tepera at a much cheaper price? All 20/20 now...but another Tepera-like piece in the pen would have been "enough". Although...sadly as it turned out our post-season experience didn't allow us to benefit from a strong 'pen anyway.

I was shocked as well! I liked the honesty (if those were his true feelings) but I as I listened I kept thinking to myself "wow, Stone really does not like Nick"! It almost seemed personal.

The day of/after the trade Stone said on the radio that Nick M was drafted much higher than he should have been drafted. Might not of been those exact words but made it clear that Stone did not think Nick M was worthy of being the 4th pick of the draft.

What if he sees a chance to start in another organization? I mean...he could be our starting 2B next year...but I hope not. I love the guy...just don't want another season where he has to get so many ABs!

Any thoughts on what Leury will/would come back for? His value is interesting when comparing his use to his salary! Baseball Reference says he has made $11 million over his career already and made $3.5 million this past year. He is a free agent...will any other organization see him as someone they would like to add? He had a very special role on this past season's team and in the hearts of the fans! But I think it will be interesting to see how much ($$$) the White Sox truly value him.

What I want: - spend money on a legit RF ( Castellanos??) - focus on 2B that plays outstanding defense What they will do: - fill RF with an aging veteran and hope he has a good year (Avi Garcia...ugh) - bring in an average defensive 2B that can hit a little but not a lot (Cesar Hernandez) - and they will sell us on high hopes of being healthy, rebound year for Kuechel and moving Kopech to rotation Re-reading the instructions...maybe my descriptions are too generic and should have included some names? If so...my bad!

No doubt...how different (boring) will the post game show be with Gordon Beckham every night!

No doubt he could handle the personality (personalities??) in that clubhouse! I always had this feeling that OG would be a perfect manager for the Dodgers but he might just be a very good fit in SD at the moment!

I agree for the most part...but maybe he thinks the next step we hope the organization takes will be the hardest? Winning a division is great...and fun! And yet...the playoff series made it look like the organization has a long way to go in order to beat the likes of Houston (or a team built like Houston). Hopefully RH can fix the roster a bit and improve the rotation enough to take the step. But it won't be easy (especially given the resources the White Sox traditionally spend). RH might have reached his max appeal right now?

I agree with you on this point. But both KW and RH gushed publicly about how much they wanted Kimbral. Even stating that he was essentially the 1 guy they wanted to add more so than any other option that may have been available. I think that plays into the criticism of the trade. Had the FO not patted themselves on the back so much...there might be less "anger" about the results.

Yeah...I could see that! Ideally he won't play even half as much as he did this year if he comes back...even less than that actually! He was great for what he was...but he never would have been on the field that much had we not had so many injuries.

You think Leury sticks? He made $3.5 million this season. Do you see him taking a cut to come back or getting a multi-year deal? I don't know either way but I just felt that he played himself off the roster (in a good way for him) because it would take a pay raise to keep him and I don't know if the White Sox will play the "10th" man all that much?