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Yeah that was my only gripe about it, but as 2k5 said its not like they really needing something else right now anyways so I guess its whatever. Me personally, I would package Quero and Sosa in the offseason for an OFer and just hand over catching duties to Teel. Neither one of them have the bat for fulltime DH and seems like a waste to split them at catcher.

Oh, no argument here for ditching Rojas. That was long overdue.

While I "get" that somewhat, its basically the same situation as now but were wasting a roster spot in case one of them gets hurt which would only cause a problem for the remainder of the one game they are currently playing in.

The White Sox have been around for 125 years and have 3 Championships and 11 playoff appearances. How that is even possible, ill never know.

What exactly is the purpose of this? I don't see how this helps with getting both Teel and Quero in the lineup everyday as one needs to DH and one needs to Catch, unless they are going to go full White Sox and start playing them out of position to get it done.

I think the main thing is, Andrew Vaughn was pretty bad for 4+ seasons here. In 150 plate appearances with Milwaukee, he has produced 1.2 bWAR when he produced a total of -0.5 bWAR in his Sox career. Something got changed with him from some form of instruction from the Brewers. The K rate is drastically cut, the walk rate has drastically risen, these are all clear signs of a change in approach at the plate. Vaughn could bottom out, but that will never undo what's going on with him right now. The Sox have a terrible reputation with player development and this is an example of someone else being able to get SOMETHING out of Vaughn the Sox never could even if its only for 200 or so PA's if that's even how it ends up shaking out.

The organization was doomed and ruined all good feelings they were building when they handed the keys over to Tony LaRussa.

The Sox absolutely failed Vaughn, regardless of what he does in Milwaukee. He got very little minor league development time and then was thrown into the outfield immediately upon his major league arrival. Never played OF in college, never played OF in his brief minor league stop. Im not sure how that's even up for debate.

Buddy we both want the same thing here, the White Sox to be good. I don't understand why you are on this crusade to scorn everyone who has issues with how terrible this organization has been run in recent memory. Your constant defense of everything everyone has a problem with is what is nonsense here.

Good call, I forgot about him. 7.04 ERA with the Sox, was so bad they had to just DFA him in 2023. Spends the rest of the year putting up a 2.18 ERA across 45 innings with the Rays. That's just simply not a bad stretch, there is something else going on there.

Kopech DID suck here. You're the one who is saying 5 inning before he was traded he got fixed and that's why he did what he did with the Dodgers. That's just conjecture on your part as all quotes being tossed around for this seem contradictory. Bottom line is, this is now the second guy in practically the stretch of a year who was not good in the Sox uniform, was traded, and all of the sudden they are performing at an elite level with their new team. Again I say, this is more of an indictment on the Sox inability to get the most out of their players. This is not a Kopech/Vaughn issue, this has happened a lot here with several players.

They only need to win 5 out of their last 35 games to avoid it, which will almost certainly happen. Hell, they may even catch the Sox before this season is over.

I agree that going through a 162 game grind on a team dead in the water is probably quite miserable, regardless of how much money you are being paid.

WestEddy is saying the Sox "fixed him" 5 outings before he was traded, therefor, the Dodgers have nothing to do with it. It's best to just move on with your life.

Your whole argument here is that Kopech finally listened to the Sox 5 outings before ultimately leaving the organization. So he either A.) Never listened to them before or B.) Was never given this instruction previously. Either way, everything keeps circling back to the Sox inability to get the best out of their players. I can't pretend to know every conversation that takes place between an organization and a player but I can visually see successful players come here and lose all their ability to perform as well as when underperforming players get sent packing and all of the sudden they can play. This is not 100% the case for EVERY player, but seems to happen often.

We don't have to pretend, his body of work prior to be trading shows it. 43.2 IP, 4.74 ERA (4.84 FIP) and a 1.35 WHIP with the Sox 24 IP, 1.13 ERA (2.54 FIP) and a .79 WHIP with the Dodgers He quite literally become a shut down closer the day he put on a Dodger uniform, I just showed you the proof. I recall people bringing up the stories about Kopech not listening to the Sox, and if he finally did a week or so prior to being traded that still isn't the best look for the Sox there.

Yes I agree, but I was mainly just using that to make a point about an approach.

I look it at it like this, if my kid is playing video games and my wife tells him its bed time he needs to turn it off and he says "Ok let me finish my game" and then 30 minutes later he's still playing and my wife again has to ask him to get off which he says "Ok, one more minute" and then I have to walk in there and tell him to get off now and he immediately does so, its not the kid that's the problem its the approach.

Ah yes, Kopech, the other guy who allegedly refused to listen to the Sox but got traded, made a change, and was awesome overnight. Unless you think that is purely a coincidence?

The craziest thing I heard, this is the 33rd time they’ve scored 1 run or less this year. 33RD!!

Well I don't think you snap out of your .531 OPS by NOT making some kind of change lol

This is no longer a hot streak, he's very clearly changed something and it has taken off. And no, I don't think he is Barry Bonds but this is a guy who was very good in college and taken/rated very highly in the draft. The skillset has always been there. What's more likely, Andrew Vaughn refused to listen to White Sox coaches but chose to listen to Brewers coaches OR the White Sox are an amateur organization that has no idea how to get the best out of their players and the Brewers excel at that? Gee, tough choice there.

Rivalries are overrated, this is why the Dolphins got stuck remaining in the AFC east with 3 cold weather teams almost half the country away. They should have been moved to the AFC South instead of the Colts, but "rivalries"

No, im not in real estate. I don't understand what real estate has to do with a baseball team? The White Sox MO has never been to pay 1 great player, they spend average money on several players. The quickest way for this team to get better is to collect as many assets as possible and hope they become great players without the need to have to sign a FA to a $350M contract.

I agree, but it's still going to be pretty bad if they give up a 5+ war pitcher and in return they get replacement level players. I would say getting 3 everyday starters for a pitcher that had huge question marks and was looking to get paid would be great value.