Nokona Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ May 8, 2017 -> 08:41 AM) For a leadoff hitter, you look at OBP which is still low at .321. With those numbers, no wonder everyone is shook... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ May 8, 2017 -> 08:41 AM) For a leadoff hitter, you look at OBP which is still low at .321. You cross the two. The fact is, if he were hitting, he'd make sense as a leadoff man with his OBP so much higher than his batting average. That being said, if he's hitting, you want him in a position to drive in runs and the leadoff spot isn't it. This is one of those Maddonisms that just isn't working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 QUOTE (Sox-35th @ May 8, 2017 -> 11:01 AM) You cross the two. The fact is, if he were hitting, he'd make sense as a leadoff man with his OBP so much higher than his batting average. That being said, if he's hitting, you want him in a position to drive in runs and the leadoff spot isn't it. This is one of those Maddonisms that just isn't working. Yeah I think they should probably play the hot hand and go with Jon Jay (.437 obp) at leadoff spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 The Cubs are nowhere near as good as they were last year and that warms my heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ May 8, 2017 -> 11:15 AM) Yeah I think they should probably play the hot hand and go with Jon Jay (.437 obp) at leadoff spot. Definitely. They badly miss Dexter Fowler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ May 8, 2017 -> 11:27 AM) The Cubs are nowhere near as good as they were last year and that warms my heart. Yet they are almost a lock to make the playoffs again. That division makes the AL Central look tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 I get that 18 inning games are rare, but when I woke up and looked at my feed it was a bunch of national/local media acting like this was the first extra innings game in history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ May 8, 2017 -> 10:51 AM) I get that 18 inning games are rare, but when I woke up and looked at my feed it was a bunch of national/local media acting like this was the first extra innings game in history. Ha well you know Cubs and Yankees are probably 2 hottest teams in the media so there's that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 QUOTE (Nokona @ May 8, 2017 -> 09:25 AM) With those numbers, no wonder everyone is shook... Haha. I see what you did there.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 The White Sox for most of the last decade would have been fairly happy to have an OPS of 700 at the leadoff spot. For the Cubs, compared to what Fowler did for most of last season, it's unacceptable. Granted, a month ago Kris Bryant was one of the worst hitters in baseball, it doesn't take long to reverse those numbers in the first half of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 (edited) Kyle Schwarber may be the most hyped career .226 hitter with less than 2 career WAR in MLB history. You would think the HOF for him is just a formality. His career fWAR is exactly the same as Tyler Saladino's. Edited May 9, 2017 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 9, 2017 -> 10:11 AM) Kyle Schwarber may be the most hyped career .226 hitter with less than 2 career WAR in MLB history. You would think the HOF for him is just a formality. His career fWAR is exactly the same as Tyler Saladino's. Hype is often a product of what people see as potential for a guy. You can definitely see super hero type potential in a guy with his power and his natural offensive ability. He may never fulfill that potential but if he gets close it will be scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (shipps @ May 9, 2017 -> 10:15 AM) Hype is often a product of what people see as potential for a guy. You can definitely see super hero type potential in a guy with his power and his natural offensive ability. He may never fulfill that potential but if he gets close it will be scary. I have actually read him being compared to Babe Ruth in multiple spots. That's a bigger stretch than Avi getting compared to Miguel Cabrera. He's going to have a hard time living up to the hype. Edited May 9, 2017 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 QUOTE (shipps @ May 9, 2017 -> 10:15 AM) Hype is often a product of what people see as potential for a guy. You can definitely see super hero type potential in a guy with his power and his natural offensive ability. He may never fulfill that potential but if he gets close it will be scary. The problem is even if he does hit like that, he's still not going to be super valuable because he doesn't offer anything else of value. His ceiling is basically prime Adam Dunn, which is a fine player, but not justified by the hype. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ May 9, 2017 -> 10:23 AM) The problem is even if he does hit like that, he's still not going to be super valuable because he doesn't offer anything else of value. His ceiling is basically prime Adam Dunn, which is a fine player, but not justified by the hype. Dunn was hyped like crazy when he was young. He used to run a bit, and was a cover boy for BP after a crazy call up season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 9, 2017 -> 10:11 AM) Kyle Schwarber may be the most hyped career .226 hitter with less than 2 career WAR in MLB history. You would think the HOF for him is just a formality. His career fWAR is exactly the same as Tyler Saladino's. Didn't the Yankees want him straight up for Andrew Miller last year? If they did that deal, they'd still have Torres in the system. Though I do think Schwarber will turn it around at the plate a bit. Edited May 9, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ May 9, 2017 -> 10:52 AM) Didn't the Yankees want him straight up for Andrew Miller last year? If they did that deal, they'd still have Torres in the system. Though I do think Schwarber will turn it around at the plate a bit. Schwarber for Miller would have been a much better deal than the one they made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ May 9, 2017 -> 10:56 AM) Schwarber for Miller would have been a much better deal than the one they made. We can't really say that yet without seeing careers play out though. Schwarber could have been good get for the Yankees too seeing as though could DH with the short porch in RF and see time at 1B and little in LF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ May 9, 2017 -> 10:58 AM) We can't really say that yet without seeing careers play out though. Schwarber could have been good get for the Yankees too seeing as though could DH with the short porch in RF and see time at 1B and little in LF. It would've been a better deal no matter what for the Cubs because: 1. Schwarber is a DH that isn't even that good 2. The Indians wouldn't have had Miller in the World Series 3. Miller wasn't a rental 4. They'd still have Torres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ May 9, 2017 -> 11:03 AM) It would've been a better deal no matter what for the Cubs because: 1. Schwarber is a DH that isn't even that good 2. The Indians wouldn't have had Miller in the World Series 3. Miller wasn't a rental 4. They'd still have Torres But Miller didn't stop them from winning the World Series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ May 9, 2017 -> 11:04 AM) But Miller didn't stop them from winning the World Series. Yeah but it would've been much less stressful for the Cubs if the Indians didn't have Miller as a multi-inning weapon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ May 9, 2017 -> 11:05 AM) Yeah but it would've been much less stressful for the Cubs if the Indians didn't have Miller as a multi-inning weapon. Actually, maybe it was Schwarber they wanted for Chapman at first. I can't remember exactly. Just getting Schwarber for Miller wouldn't make much sense. Edited May 9, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 Maybe pilates isn't working for Arrieta anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ May 9, 2017 -> 02:55 PM) Maybe pilates isn't working for Arrieta anymore? He may have cost himself over $100 million with how he has pitched. Good move by the Cubs though not jumping to sign him long term Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 QUOTE (SoxAce @ May 8, 2017 -> 06:29 PM) Haha. I see what you did there.. Yeah, he got me. I'll take the L. For now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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