CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Oct 18, 2017 -> 08:48 PM) I'm with you, I hated the trade and this postseason did not change that. It did not take much to see than Kahnle's turnaround wasn't a fluke. Robertson may not have been valuable on a rebuilding team, but definitely earns his salary and more on a playoff team. Should the Sox have hung onto Kahnle ? Held out for more ? If Kahnle doesnt pitch well next year, which is wont to happen with BP pieces, then Sox get 2nd guessed. Perhaps you think Frazier and Robertson alone could've got Rutherford ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 19, 2017 -> 12:06 AM) Not trying to start a fight and I'll stifle if I'm wrong but Sox fans undervalued Robertson as they tend to do their own IMO at least. What happened was Rutherford was really overvalued. But he's young. Right now, he looks like a poor man's Ryan Sweeney to me. If the Yankees make it to the WS, Cashman deserves Exec of the year for this trade. Without it, I don't think they have a chance. The Sox got salary relief this year and next which could be huge when they need to add players, so that can't be discounted. But by pure talent, it was a one sided trade. Edited October 19, 2017 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) What do people think would have been an acceptable deal with the Yanks? Subtract Kahnle and Rutherford from the deal and its close? Replace Rutherford with a lower prospect than even Polo and Clarkin? Then we make Kahnle the closer post-trade and beginning of next season to flip at deadline? Edited October 19, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Oct 19, 2017 -> 01:50 PM) What do people think would have been an acceptable deal with the Yanks? Subtract Kahnle and Rutherford from the deal and its close? Replace Rutherford with a lower prospect than even Polo and Clarkin? Then we make Kahnle the closer post-trade and beginning of next season to flip at deadline? Â I actually still think I feel more negative to the trade than I actually am. Â But what killed me about that deal was the fake one that was "reported" just before the real announcement that had Mateo, Florial and Adujar going back to Sox. I was at the game and got duped by it and nearly spit out my beer I was so happy. It was an infusion of super athletic position players. Â SO when it came back Rutherford, Clarkin and Polo, especially with Clippard basically just being a dump for cash, it was super disappointing. The road to development is long and winding, but I really want some production out of this group, from that trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 19, 2017 -> 02:17 PM) I actually still think I feel more negative to the trade than I actually am. Â But what killed me about that deal was the fake one that was "reported" just before the real announcement that had Mateo, Florial and Adujar going back to Sox. I was at the game and got duped by it and nearly spit out my beer I was so happy. It was an infusion of super athletic position players. Â SO when it came back Rutherford, Clarkin and Polo, especially with Clippard basically just being a dump for cash, it was super disappointing. The road to development is long and winding, but I really want some production out of this group, from that trade. Â My post wasn't a take on if people thought it was negative or positive and I wasn't taking a position on it. Just a question I felt like tossing out since I have seen a lot of posts saying we didn't get enough (it does feel a little light but not really negative to the deal). Edited October 19, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Oct 19, 2017 -> 02:25 PM) My post wasn't a take on if people thought it was negative or positive and I wasn't taking a position on it. Just a question I felt like tossing out since I have seen a lot of posts saying we didn't get enough (it does feel a little light but not really negative to the deal). Â I think in general I was fine with our approach of making sure we get a top prospect and not make it up in value, but with the Yankees deal it was just nervewrecking from the start as Rutherford by the time we made the trade had shown a noticeable lack of power. Â But the yankees are also a team whose depth I would have been happy to raid and go after that 8-15 range instead of top 5/20-30 ranges. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Oct 19, 2017 -> 01:50 PM) What do people think would have been an acceptable deal with the Yanks? Subtract Kahnle and Rutherford from the deal and its close? Replace Rutherford with a lower prospect than even Polo and Clarkin? Then we make Kahnle the closer post-trade and beginning of next season to flip at deadline? Â Supposedly the Yankees had no interest until Tommy K was put on the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Oct 19, 2017 -> 01:24 PM) Should the Sox have hung onto Kahnle ? Held out for more ? If Kahnle doesnt pitch well next year, which is wont to happen with BP pieces, then Sox get 2nd guessed. Perhaps you think Frazier and Robertson alone could've got Rutherford ? Â Yes. Â And I really dont care for Rutherford, even at the time of the trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 17, 2017 -> 07:38 PM) If only Astros had traded for a charismatic reliever with a great changeup and closer experience  Oh well, their loss, hopefully in the ALCS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 17, 2017 -> 05:38 PM) If only Astros had traded for a charismatic reliever with a great changeup and closer experience You don't think Giles is good enough - or are you just saying they needed Giles +1? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Oct 18, 2017 -> 05:44 PM) Hoping Yanks take the whole thing. How could you????  The only acceptable reason for rooting for them to win it all would be if you had thrown down $100,000 on the Yanks to win the World Series back in March or April when their odds where 12:1.  $100,000 investment $1,200,000 win  $1,100,000 profit  Where's the f***ing time machine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 I still like the Yankee deal and think Rutherford on paper is a fair return...but his 2nd half was definitely disappointing, so now we're counting on the White Sox's scouting and development. He's a legit talent but talent doesn't do everything and yeah, if the White Sox were wrong, people can look back and say his numbers at the time of the trade were warning signs. We'll see. Breakout next year and all complaints go away. Continue struggling and people will get an "I told you so". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 QUOTE (hi8is @ Oct 19, 2017 -> 11:48 PM) You don't think Giles is good enough - or are you just saying they needed Giles +1? Â Clippard joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 If the Yanks can can get past the Astros, we're going to see some amazing pitching from bullpens in the WS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Oct 19, 2017 -> 07:56 PM) If the Yanks can can get past the Astros, we're going to see some amazing pitching from bullpens in the WS. Very good point!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Aaron Judge may hit an Alex Wood fastball out of Dodger Stadium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 QUOTE (hi8is @ Oct 19, 2017 -> 05:50 PM) How could you???? The only acceptable reason for rooting for them to win it all would be if you had thrown down $100,000 on the Yanks to win the World Series back in March or April when their odds where 12:1.  $100,000 investment $1,200,000 win  $1,100,000 profit  Where's the f***ing time machine?  Lol I didn't but if you find that time machine let me borrow it when your done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Severino vs Verlander at 7 CT Â No lineups as of yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) Lineups https://twitter.com/michaelgbaron/status/921483543573868545 Â Edited October 20, 2017 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted October 21, 2017 Author Share Posted October 21, 2017 Verlander in Houston has been like CC in Milwaukee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 20, 2017 -> 08:16 PM) Verlander in Houston has been like CC in Milwaukee. Nice callback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 Verlander the true definition of big game pitcher....somehow managed to get that fastball back after looking dead in the water 2-3 years ago.  But who could the Astros start in Game 5? McCullers has such an iffy injury history and would be on short rest...Peacock? Tough call. Going the Nationals’ route of (over)protecting Strasburg definitely backfired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 20, 2017 -> 09:36 PM) Verlander the true definition of big game pitcher....somehow managed to get that fastball back after looking dead in the water 2-3 years ago. But who could the Astros start in Game 5? McCullers has such an iffy injury history and would be on short rest...Peacock? Tough call. Going the Nationals’ route of (over)protecting Strasburg definitely backfired. The papers are saying Morton. I dunno.  This is the no matter what happened on Thursday "They should have traded for Q" moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 Altuve is awesome without acting like an asshole. Refreshing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxjr27 Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 What a 8th inning for Houston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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