4 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Hell, we might as well go full Rays at this point.

 

“Full Rays” sounds pretty good to me.

1 minute ago, fathom said:

Or the more likely scenario is that he’s content with his outfield 

Content with 3 guys that combined for less than 162 games last year, 2 guys who are first basemen that were forced into playing the OF, and 2 utility infielders who can play OF if they have to. 

5 minutes ago, thxfrthmmrs said:

Well, a weird way of looking at this is if Joc signs next then Conforto has gotta be Hahn’s endgame right?

Hahn was caught off guard by how quickly the outfield market moved after the lockout ended. He thought he'd have until early April to sign an outfielder. He just miscalculated it otherwise he would have crushed it. 

3 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

 

Are they out on Bryant then?

Edited March 16, 20224 yr by justBLAZE

2 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

Does Soler move the needle at at?  

Soler is probably gonna DH in the NL

https://www.coveringthecorner.com/2022/3/14/22976853/hey-guardians-its-not-too-late-to-sign-joc-pederson
 

“I have been personally trying to will Joc Pederson to Cleveland for the better part of two years now, and the first time there appears to be real smoke to my imaginary fire. 

According to Jon Morosi, the outfielder is “drawing interest” from the Guardians, which, on the hierarchy of vague free agent terminology, means they might have at least called Pederson’s agent to see how much it would take to get him to Cleveland for a season or two. That’s enough to get a little bit excited. 

Pederson, 29, split time last season between the Chicago Cubs and eventual World Series Champion Atlanta Braves. It was his first year out of Los Angeles after making a name for himself as a solid bat over seven years with the Dodgers (including a championship there in 2020). He slashed .238/.310/.422 with 18 home runs over 137 games for a wRC+ of 94. Probably not the kind of line you want heading into an opportunity at a big payday, but he believed in himself enough to decline a mutual $10 million option with the Braves and enter the free-agent market. 

That leads us to today, where he has apparently caught the interest of the desperate-for-an-outfielder Cleveland Guardians Baseball Team of Ohio. Some of the sheen may have fallen off Pederson since he was rumored to be on the way out of LA ahead of the 2020 season, but that doesn’t mean he can’t help Cleveland in 2022. 

There is one major caveat with him, though: he needs to be platooned. A left-handed batter himself, Pederson has a career wRC+ of 68 against fellow southpaws, but is well above average at 123 against righties.”

 

$12 million for a platoon bat when we already have 5-6 DH’s on the roster sounds about right at this point.

At least Lilian will be pacified, somewhat.

Just now, fathom said:

Would love it but can’t see it happening 

Yeah, I'm not expecting it either, but I'm desperate for them to do anything meaningful to address RF.

1 minute ago, chw42 said:

Content with 3 guys that combined for less than 162 games last year, 2 guys who are first basemen that were forced into playing the OF, and 2 utility infielders who can play OF if they have to. 

Believe me, it’s a joke to me also 

Just now, chw42 said:

Soler is probably gonna DH in the NL

I could see that.  

Just now, chw42 said:

Soler is probably gonna DH in the NL

Soler might actually be a worse defensive outfielder than Daniel Palka. It seems impossible, I know... but it might be real.

Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Hahn was caught off guard by how quickly the outfield market moved after the lockout ended. He thought he'd have until early April to sign an outfielder. He just miscalculated it otherwise he would have crushed it. 

Hahn has miscalculated alot. Kimbrels value, second base, right field options, his own minor league system. it goes on and on. JR did open the pocket book but Hahn and Kenny spent the money unwisely. its on them to clean up this mess. 

1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Hahn was caught off guard by how quickly the outfield market moved after the lockout ended. He thought he'd have until early April to sign an outfielder. He just miscalculated it otherwise he would have crushed it. 

Kind of like how we ALMOST had Soto, Robert, Tatis and Vladdy Jr. on the Sox simultaneously…or was it Acuna, Jr.?

Just now, quickman said:

Hahn has miscalculated alot. Kimbrels value, second base, right field options, his own minor league system. it goes on and on. JR did open the pocket book but Hahn and Kenny spent the money unwisely. its on them to clean up this mess. 

If we get bounced in the ALDS again (or worse), I want Hahn gone. 

1 minute ago, quickman said:

Hahn has miscalculated alot. Kimbrels value, second base, right field options, his own minor league system. it goes on and on. JR did open the pocket book but Hahn and Kenny spent the money unwisely. its on them to clean up this mess. 

The best we’re going to get is a half-hearted attempt to knock over a buffet table in the clubhouse…and lots of meaningless legal-speak.

Maybe a writ filed.  

3 minutes ago, quickman said:

Hahn has miscalculated alot. Kimbrels value, second base, right field options, his own minor league system. it goes on and on. JR did open the pocket book but Hahn and Kenny spent the money unwisely. its on them to clean up this mess. 

It wasn't wise money...but what mess? What deal have they signed that hurts them long term or after 2022? Did they misuse funds so far this off-season...yes. Is any move here resulting in a mess that needs cleaning...nope.  Kelly and Graveman were overpays, but will perform fine. Kimbrel is still getting moved and Harrison is just a guy on a short deal. 

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Just now, chw42 said:

If we get bounced in the ALDS again (or worse), I want Hahn gone. 

completely agree but I would want Kenny gone too. they wont go unless JR hands over the reigns to someone. but I agree with you. 

Tim Anderson SS

Yoan Moncada 2B

Luis Robert CF

Jose Abreu 1B

Yasmani Grandal C

Eloy Jimenez LF 

Andrew Vaughn RF

Gavin Sheets DH

Josh Harrison 2B

 

Are there even 5 teams better than this? 

Just now, EloyJenkins said:

It wasn't wise money...but what mess? What deal have they signed that hurts them long term or after 2022? Did they misuse funds so far this off-season...yes. Is any move here resulting in a mess that need cleaning...nope.  Kelly and Graveman were overpays, but will perform fine. Kimbrel is still getting moved and Harrison is just a guy on a short deal. 

By what tho?  $1-2M AAV?  Its somewhat irreleveant.  Those $1-2M do add up and I get that, but the money Hahn has spent on FAs this offseason isn't stopping anything.  

1 minute ago, chw42 said:

If we get bounced in the ALDS again (or worse), I want Hahn gone. 

We’ve reached the point where we now believe getting rid of Hahn/KW would/will actually be more productive than dumping LaRussa.

Wow, how the villains have shifted.

Feels like a half decade since Renteria was managing.

1 minute ago, HOFHurt35 said:

Tim Anderson SS

Yoan Moncada 2B

Luis Robert CF

Jose Abreu 1B

Yasmani Grandal C

Eloy Jimenez LF 

Andrew Vaughn RF

Gavin Sheets DH

Josh Harrison 2B

 

Are there even 5 teams better than this? 

According to Ray, there are 9 better.  LOLZ

1 minute ago, HOFHurt35 said:

Tim Anderson SS

Yoan Moncada 2B

Luis Robert CF

Jose Abreu 1B

Yasmani Grandal C

Eloy Jimenez LF 

Andrew Vaughn RF

Gavin Sheets DH

Josh Harrison 2B

 

Are there even 5 teams better than this? 

Yes

Just now, HOFHurt35 said:

Tim Anderson SS

Yoan Moncada 2B

Luis Robert CF

Jose Abreu 1B

Yasmani Grandal C

Eloy Jimenez LF 

Andrew Vaughn RF

Gavin Sheets DH

Josh Harrison 2B

 

Are there even 5 teams better than this? 

Don't even bother trying to post anything positive. You'll be labeled a front office shill and and people can't u derstand why you do nothing but defend every move the FO has ever made.

Just now, caulfield12 said:

We’ve reached the point where we now believe getting rid of Hahn/KW would/will actually be more productive than dumping LaRussa.

Wow, how the villains have shifted.

Feels like a half decade since Renteria was managing.

If TLR fails to get this team farther than the ALDS again, he should be gone as well. 

5 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Kind of like how we ALMOST had Soto, Robert, Tatis and Vladdy Jr. on the Sox simultaneously…or was it Acuna, Jr.?

I don't think we had any ins on Vlad Jr or Acuna.

6 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

https://www.coveringthecorner.com/2022/3/14/22976853/hey-guardians-its-not-too-late-to-sign-joc-pederson
 

“I have been personally trying to will Joc Pederson to Cleveland for the better part of two years now, and the first time there appears to be real smoke to my imaginary fire. 

According to Jon Morosi, the outfielder is “drawing interest” from the Guardians, which, on the hierarchy of vague free agent terminology, means they might have at least called Pederson’s agent to see how much it would take to get him to Cleveland for a season or two. That’s enough to get a little bit excited. 

Pederson, 29, split time last season between the Chicago Cubs and eventual World Series Champion Atlanta Braves. It was his first year out of Los Angeles after making a name for himself as a solid bat over seven years with the Dodgers (including a championship there in 2020). He slashed .238/.310/.422 with 18 home runs over 137 games for a wRC+ of 94. Probably not the kind of line you want heading into an opportunity at a big payday, but he believed in himself enough to decline a mutual $10 million option with the Braves and enter the free-agent market. 

That leads us to today, where he has apparently caught the interest of the desperate-for-an-outfielder Cleveland Guardians Baseball Team of Ohio. Some of the sheen may have fallen off Pederson since he was rumored to be on the way out of LA ahead of the 2020 season, but that doesn’t mean he can’t help Cleveland in 2022. 

There is one major caveat with him, though: he needs to be platooned. A left-handed batter himself, Pederson has a career wRC+ of 68 against fellow southpaws, but is well above average at 123 against righties.”

 

$12 million for a platoon bat when we already have 5-6 DH’s on the roster sounds about right at this point.

At least Lilian will be pacified, somewhat.

I think it will be highly amusing to see Cleveland outbid us for the Plan E option in RF.