Thought this deserved its own thread 

I think this is what most people expected.

 

especially after this year has been a complete melt down.

I am no TLR fan, but wish him comfort and better health.

In any case TLR was never the root problem. He was the consequence.

Edited September 27, 20223 yr by SpringfieldFan

If Hahn doesn't go out the door also, this means nothing. 

13 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said:

If Hahn doesn't go out the door also, this means nothing. 

And Jerry. He was the one that put TLR there 

 

I wish Tony good health and a nice retirement. And I like the thought of not only a managerial change, but it not being Cairo.

Print up the 2023 World Series Tickets! There is nothing stopping this freight train next year baby! 

Never should have taken the job in the first place, eat a bag of ____s Tony ... that is all

Like, just tell us already.  Make it official FFS. 

17 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

Like, just tell us already.  Make it official FFS. 

Nothing will happen until the end of the season when JR, Kenny, Hahn and maybe TLR meet to discuss the situation.

1 hour ago, Jack Parkman said:

 

Thought this deserved its own thread 

I does, but if indeed it's true its such a shallow victory. Until Jerry and Rick are gone, we will never be on the right track to success and winning another title!

I don't see Hahn leaving. Just not likely. 

Can he take Joe Kelly to retirement with him?  I picture them on side by side recliners..."You know, I really think they wouldv'e loved you by the end of the 2023 season Joe"...."Why, was I going to be traded?"

16 minutes ago, pcq said:

I don't see Hahn leaving. Just not likely. 

Same here, heaven forbid we get our cake and eat it too

 

Count me as thrilled that Tony is completely out, and not being kicked upstairs.  Remove the tumor, let the body heal.

30 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Count me as thrilled that Tony is completely out, and not being kicked upstairs.  Remove the tumor, let the body heal.

This is best-case scenario re: Tony and the Sox.

Make it official, then onto the next move with Hahn/Kenny/Cairo/whoever else needs to go.

Realistically, Williams and Hahn aren’t going anywhere. This is the White Sox and Jerry Reinsdorf we are talking about.
However, if Bernstein’s report is indeed true, then I agree with Matt Spiegel’s assessment, they need to bring someone from outside the organization to manage the team and have the ability to pick their own coaching staff without holdovers. Yes, even Katz.

Now I’m wondering who that is.

9 minutes ago, The Beast said:

Realistically, Williams and Hahn aren’t going anywhere. This is the White Sox and Jerry Reinsdorf we are talking about.
However, if Bernstein’s report is indeed true, then I agree with Matt Spiegel’s assessment, they need to bring someone from outside the organization to manage the team and have the ability to pick their own coaching staff without holdovers. Yes, even Katz.

Now I’m wondering who that is.

Pitching and hitting coaches are typically now GM/Org hires since they dictate the approach of the entire organization. 

2 minutes ago, Joshua Strong said:

Pitching and hitting coaches are typically now GM/Org hires since they dictate the approach of the entire organization. 

Even so, the manager could be hired with the intent of collaborating with the GM on those hires.

The whole coaching staff is most likely be gone including Katz. Usually the new manager wants his own personnel. If Katz is gone Gio will probably be traded as well.

Edited September 28, 20223 yr by maloney.adam

Just now, maloney.adam said:

Gio will probably be be traded as well

I won’t be sad.

2 hours ago, CentralChamps21 said:

 

I laughed audibly. I expect an apology for my wife yelling at me for waking her up.

29 minutes ago, The Beast said:

Even so, the manager could be hired with the intent of collaborating with the GM on those hires.

This.

If the manager and GM aren't aligned on roster construction and overall strategy, then I feel like it's just another case study in inefficient organizational management.

Whoever is actually in charge needs to have his / her / their philosophy congruent with what is being taught all the way down the organization. Furthermore, what is being taught / preached down the organization needs to be congruent with what it takes to be successful as a baseball team (not this "you worked for 15 years as a personal janitor to the assistant to the traveling secretary, so you're being rewarded with a position of baseball significance" thing that JR does).

Naturally, the coaching staff needs to buy into whatever the GM has in mind, which should naturally be congruent with what the manager's hiring and teaching would also align.

45 minutes ago, maloney.adam said:

The whole coaching staff is most likely be gone including Katz. Usually the new manager wants his own personnel. If Katz is gone Gio will probably be traded as well.

I think Katz is likely highly regarded enough around baseball circles to survive and be hired by whomever the next manager is.  Maybe Cairo as well, although quite frankly Cairo could be potentially up for a managerial job even outside the White Sox.  I'm also not sold on Gio being traded.