STOP F-ING WALKING GUYS

[CentralChamps21]

Please.

[The Mighty Mite]

10 minutes ago, CentralChamps21 said:

Please.

When you nibble there is no confidence in your stuff.

[Timmy U]

8 walks in back to back games. Kinda tough to win like that.

[Chick Mercedes]

56 minutes ago, CentralChamps21 said:

STOP F-ING WALKING GUYS

 

[Heads22]

its incredibly annoying, we seem to walk 150% of the leadoff guys after we score as well

[gusguyman]

I'll be honest, if I were an MLB gm, and my lefty specialist came into a game and walked the lefty he was facing on 4 pitches, I'd be faxing the league office his release papers before he even gets off the mound.

It's probably one of many reasons I'm not an MLB gm. 

[wegner]

1 minute ago, gusguyman said:

I'll be honest, if I were an MLB gm, and my lefty specialist came into a game and walked the lefty he was facing on 4 pitches, I'd be faxing the league office his release papers before he even gets off the mound.

It's probably one of many reasons I'm not an MLB gm. 

You'd be a welcome change in my book.  You or that guy who would've given JR the interview of his life.

[pcq]

6 minutes ago, gusguyman said:

I'll be honest, if I were an MLB gm, and my lefty specialist came into a game and walked the lefty he was facing on 4 pitches, I'd be faxing the league office his release papers before he even gets off the mound.

It's probably one of many reasons I'm not an MLB gm. 

Often because they don't have the balls to throw a strike. 

[4uckOffCommieScum]

Sound advice. Hopefully Katz sees this

[JoeC]

1 hour ago, gusguyman said:

I'll be honest, if I were an MLB gm, and my lefty specialist came into a game and walked the lefty he was facing on 4 pitches, I'd be faxing the league office his release papers before he even gets off the mound.

It's probably one of many reasons I'm not an MLB gm. 

Does the 3 batter minimum count if your team straight up releases the pitcher after facing 1 batter?

Or does that transaction have to wait until the pitcher is out of the game?

[Lip Man 1]

Grifol says the issue is attacking the strike zone/lack of confidence. Said Hasler and Katz are addressing it but wouldn't go into specifics on what they were doing.

[BigHurt3515]

If our hitters were selective we would be walking 8 times a game. Opponents realize our guys are all over the place and are being patient 

[elrockinMT]

Just like  to mention that Sholtens started for Charlotte tonight getting the win. He went five innings with 11 Ks and NO walks allowed 

[The Mighty Mite]

9 hours ago, BigHurt3515 said:

If our hitters were selective we would be walking 8 times a game. Opponents realize our guys are all over the place and are being patient 

Nothing has changed from last year when a KC pitcher said the White Sox were the easiest team to face in the league with horrible plate discipline as they will swing at anything and refuse to take a walk.

Why aren’t  the manager and hitting coach addressing this situation.

Edited April 16, 2023 by The Mighty Mite

[Timmy U]

24 minutes ago, The Mighty Mite said:

Nothing has changed from last year when a KC pitcher said the White Sox were the easiest team to face in the league with horrible plate discipline as they will swing at anything and refuse to take a walk.

Why aren’t  the manager and hitting coach addressing this situation.

Or the general manager? It is possible to seek out players in the draft, as free agents, and in trades who have lower O-swing rates. That information is publicly available.

For heaven’s sake, they drafted three “polished” college bat-first players in Burger, Madrigal, and Vaughn. All of them are swing first players.  I guess I should be grateful for Montgomery.

[Highland]

Walks and pitching into deep counts also drives up pitch counts. Starters need to least go six innings or the bullpen will have to take on too big of a load. And this bullpen isn't that good. 

In reality, for the past week the starting pitching has been good. Offense still needs to get in runners from third with less than two outs.

[4uckOffCommieScum]

Vaughn is on pace for 95 walks

[bmags]

My take on Katz is while at San Fran he learned a lot from an org that provides a whole bunch of support and focus for their pitching philosophy. Katz can bring some of the philosophy, but the Sox approach is to hire someone, say they are in charge and that’s it. 
 

Basically I’m saying the farther away he’s from San Fran the worse he’s going to get. Like muscle atrophy.

[ScootsMcGoots]

19 hours ago, FourEyesShottenhoffer said:

Vaughn is on pace for 95 walks

So is the White Sox pitching staff...in the month of April alone.

[Tnetennba]

26 walks in the series?  While that is really bad, I’m not going to place that entirely on Katz, though he does share in the blame.  I’m going to credit Baltimore for having disciplined approaches with a plan at the plate.  They were happy to take a walk when there wasn’t a good pitch to hit.  Unlike the home team flailing at breaking balls low and away, chasing time and again.  

[The Kids Can Play]

On 4/16/2023 at 7:49 AM, The Mighty Mite said:

Nothing has changed from last year when a KC pitcher said the White Sox were the easiest team to face in the league with horrible plate discipline as they will swing at anything and refuse to take a walk.

Why aren’t  the manager and hitting coach addressing this situation.

Maybe because we have a bad manager and coaching staff that were hired by a really bad GM, and/or the manager and coaches have addressed the lack of plate discipline which causes too many swinging K's outside the zone, too few BB's and too few good hitting counts. The reality is probably many of the Sox hitters are just stubborn and/or dumb when it comes to being a smart and disciplined hitter. 

The fact is, this club is seriously undisciplined swinging at pitches well outside the zone and not getting many walks last year and again this year. We are tied for 25th this year in walks and last year we were 29th. We change managers and nothing changes. Maybe the roster is just terribly flawed. Again thanks to our genius GM Rick Hahn who has assembled this roster since the 2016 rebuild. 

Edited April 17, 2023 by The Kids Can Play

[JoeC]

46 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

26 walks in the series?  While that is really bad, I’m not going to place that entirely on Katz, though he does share in the blame.  I’m going to credit Baltimore for having disciplined approaches with a plan at the plate.  They were happy to take a walk when there wasn’t a good pitch to hit.  Unlike the home team flailing at breaking balls low and away, chasing time and again.  

Interesting. Almost like the players were trained behave a certain way while learning how to play professional baseball.

[hogan873]

This is one of the most frustrating things so far.  All of the pitchers have struggled with this, but the damn bullpen is horrendous.  Multiple walks when guys like Bummer and Diekman are pitching is a given.  There just seems to be no confidence.  And opposing teams are being patient, taking advantage of the piss-poor pitching.

If they can turn this part around, they'll be a better staff.  Still not a good to great staff, but better.

[ChiSox59]

The Bummer thing is weird.  I recall him going through similar stretches last season, but his numbers were pretty good at the end of the year.  2.36 ERA / 3.19 FIP is pretty darn good.  But he's just been awful these first 8 appearances.  Sox need so much better from him.  Diekman on the other hand just sucks, and expecting productive innings from him is foolish. 

[Lip Man 1]

1 hour ago, hogan873 said:

This is one of the most frustrating things so far.  All of the pitchers have struggled with this, but the damn bullpen is horrendous.  Multiple walks when guys like Bummer and Diekman are pitching is a given.  There just seems to be no confidence.  And opposing teams are being patient, taking advantage of the piss-poor pitching.

If they can turn this part around, they'll be a better staff.  Still not a good to great staff, but better.

Grifol talked about confidence just over the weekend as a matter of fact.